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It makes me kind of queasy to read so-called recovered alcoholics defend
and define the drinking of so-called non-alcoholic beer.
All things being said, I'm not recovered...I still go to meetings.
In article<4e3982f6$0$1625$c3e8da3$33a0879d@news.astraweb.com>,
Skeezix LaRocca<fatlumbo@yahoo.com> wrote:
All things being said, I'm not recovered...I still go to meetings.
Then I must be recovered -- I haven't been to a meeting since late last
fall and other than some of the social contact I don't miss them at all.
And it has been years (so long I can't date the change) since I felt I "needed" to go. In fact, I was just thinking this morning that if I
went to a meeting I'd have to say "I'm Ted and I'm an alcoholic" and I'd
be uncomfortable doing that -- I'd feel it disingenuous because I don't
feel like an alcoholic anymore. That doesn't mean I can drink though --
I'm pretty sure it would be a bad idea.
If you're pretty sure it would be a bad idea, then why do you think
you're *not* an alcoholic? It would make more sense if you said "I'm
pretty sure I could drink normally, but it's not worth the risk."
In article <j1c11j$abd$2@dont-email.me>,
I once pondered why I'm now uncomfortable saying I'm an alcoholic but
not uncomfortable saying I'm a diabetic (if the circumstance to say so
is appropriate.) I don't have a good answer for that but I'm not
going
to lose sleep over it.
I once pondered why I'm now uncomfortable saying I'm an alcoholic
Ted L., 8/3/2011,1:50:46 PM, wrote:
I once pondered why I'm now uncomfortable saying I'm an alcoholic
I would be hesitant to say I was an alcoholic unless I was completely convinced of it also.
"Ted L." <TedL719@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TedL719-7EE876.12504603082011@news.eternal-september.org...
In article <j1c11j$abd$2@dont-email.me>,
I once pondered why I'm now uncomfortable saying I'm an alcoholic but
not uncomfortable saying I'm a diabetic (if the circumstance to say so
is appropriate.) I don't have a good answer for that but I'm not
going
to lose sleep over it.
Most likely has something to do with your self image and/or your ego.
Saying you are an alcoholic still carries a social stigma that diabeties doesn't.
Alcoholism is a line that should not be crossed over lightly. It's
damn hard to get back over it when one winds up across it and
realizes they are in or have been in the wrong place.
Charlie L. wrote:
Alcoholism is a line that should not be crossed over lightly. It's damn >>hard to get back over it when one winds up across it and realizes they
are in or have been in the wrong place.
I have heard people talk about crossing over a line where prior to that
they could control their drinking in a social manner but now suddenly
find themselves unable to stop at that previous amount which provided
the desired lubrication factor. I do not doubt such an imaginary line
exists for many people who found themselves suddenly powerless.
My experience is different than that type of alcoholic though. From the
very first drink I took as an 8 year-old I was instantly drawn to the
effect it had on me and I spent the rest of my drinking life begging, stealing, buying, coercing, whatever was required to get more of it. I didn't have the gradual physical degradation, but more of a moral and spiritual one. The eventual bottom was brought about by the forced withdrawal of the alcohol and from the only lifestyle I knew.
To set the record straight Lucky...In no way, shape, or form do I
consider myself a *recovered* alcoholic.
I read the Story of how a bunch of alkies recoverd from alcoholism and
did the suggested stuff and damn if I didn't recover from alcoholism.
The cure definitely works.
All I know is what works for me...For example, if I had cancer & the
doctors said that I had recovered from cancer, I don't think I'd go back
to the cancer ward two or three times a week to see how the hell
everybody's doing, and to shoot the shit.
On 08/03/2011 09:37 PM, Tex wrote:
I read the Story of how a bunch of alkies recoverd from alcoholism and
did the suggested stuff and damn if I didn't recover from alcoholism.
The cure definitely works.
They can slice it & dice it anyfucking way they want.
All I know is what works for me...For example, if I had cancer & the
doctors said that I had recovered from cancer, I don't think I'd go back
to the cancer ward two or three times a week to see how the hell
everybody's doing, and to shoot the shit.
Those fucking doctors would probably try to talk me coming in every year
for a check up, but then again, most of those pricks prolly have a
payment on their jet due.
Mebbe that's why I've discovered I don't feel any need or desire
any
more to go to meetings.
"Ted L." <TedL719@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:TedL719-535490.21355503082011@news.eternal-\>
Mebbe that's why I've discovered I don't feel any need or desire
any more to go to meetings.
Ted, if everyone had that attitude, then the only people left in "the
rooms" would be a bunch of newcomers. I don't believe that it was
like that when either you or I first entered the doors of AA.
Well I don't doubt you on this ... but cancer survivors do go back ...
how often varies I imagine ... but they do go back. Most likely even
if you wanted to you couldn't do it .... being a selfish pric, shill,
turd and what was the other one?
On 08/03/2011 10:35 PM, Tex wrote:
Well I don't doubt you on this ... but cancer survivors do go back ...
how often varies I imagine ... but they do go back. Most likely even
if you wanted to you couldn't do it .... being a selfish pric, shill,
turd and what was the other one?
I've always beamed when an ex girlfriend called me a self centered asshole.
Sharx3335 wrote:
"Ted L." <TedL719@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:TedL719-535490.21355503082011@news.eternal-\>
Mebbe that's why I've discovered I don't feel any need or desire
any more to go to meetings.
Ted, if everyone had that attitude, then the only people left in "the >>rooms" would be a bunch of newcomers. I don't believe that it was
like that when either you or I first entered the doors of AA.
No, it wasn't. More people cared about helping _others_ recover from >alcoholism then. These days it's all about how it makes you *feel*
........
Yes, I believe you! I only wish I could say the same for myself, but
damn it being so sensitive and caring I could never quite pull it off.
Then too, there was/is always my great desire to please other people
even at my own expense. And once I became one of the chosen ... it
just became almost if not impossible. Being almost perfect makes
striving for perfection less of a chore than it is for most others.
No, it wasn't. More people cared about helping _others_ recover from alcoholism then. These days it's all about how it makes you *feel*
Yes, I believe you! I only wish I could say the same for myself, but
damn it being so sensitive and caring I could never quite pull it off.
Then too, there was/is always my great desire to please other people
even at my own expense. And once I became one of the chosen ... it
just became almost if not impossible. Being almost perfect makes
striving for perfection less of a chore than it is for most others.
"Tex" <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:h9fl37lsn3e48enrhes86t1knrt84jiqu4@4ax.com...
Yes, I believe you! I only wish I could say the same for myself, but
damn it being so sensitive and caring I could never quite pull it off.
Then too, there was/is always my great desire to please other people
even at my own expense. And once I became one of the chosen ... it
just became almost if not impossible. Being almost perfect makes
striving for perfection less of a chore than it is for most others.
No! No! No! It's mediocrity that we strive for, not perfection.
RonG
In article <xn0hhgcuk1qjrr001@reader.albasani.net>,
"mike" <into.action.mike@gmail.com> wrote:
No, it wasn't. More people cared about helping _others_ recover from
alcoholism then. These days it's all about how it makes you *feel*
When I was relatively new I did feel I could help others. Now I know
I'm too far from my drinking days to be of help to anyone -- I can no
longer tell a convincing story. I used to be able to chime right in on
a 1st step meeting -- I no longer can. Remember, I'm not a "real
alcoholic" -- seeing as several here have told me so.
In article <4e3982f6$0$1625$c3e8da3$33a0879d@news.astraweb.com>,
Skeezix LaRocca <fatlumbo@yahoo.com> wrote:
All things being said, I'm not recovered...I still go to meetings.
Then I must be recovered -- I haven't been to a meeting since late last
fall and other than some of the social contact I don't miss them at all.
And it has been years (so long I can't date the change) since I felt I "needed" to go. In fact, I was just thinking this morning that if I
went to a meeting I'd have to say "I'm Ted and I'm an alcoholic" and I'd
be uncomfortable doing that -- I'd feel it disingenuous because I don't
feel like an alcoholic anymore. That doesn't mean I can drink though --
I'm pretty sure it would be a bad idea.
Damn, some of you dickheads get all the breaks.
"mike" <into.action.mike@gmail.com> wrote:
No, it wasn't. More people cared about helping _others_ recover from
alcoholism then. These days it's all about how it makes you *feel*
When I was relatively new I did feel I could help others. Now I know
I'm too far from my drinking days to be of help to anyone -- I can no
longer tell a convincing story. I used to be able to chime right in on
a 1st step meeting -- I no longer can. Remember, I'm not a "real
alcoholic" -- seeing as several here have told me so.
You don't have to stay in the hospital all your life, so to speak. Certainly not the Emergency Room.
I just, with help from AA, stayed sober long enough that I regained the ability to not drink, and the abiliity to understand that it didn't go
well with me, and probably wouldn't if I tried again, although I'm not afraid of communion or Nytol.
I've always beamed when an ex girlfriend called me a self
centered asshole.
You had Bubbah "re-center" your asshole?
In article <2011080412553550073-yexxxx@sbellnet>,
Gary <yexxxx@sbell.net> wrote:
You don't have to stay in the hospital all your life, so to speak.
Certainly not the Emergency Room.
I just, with help from AA, stayed sober long enough that I regained the
ability to not drink, and the abiliity to understand that it didn't go
well with me, and probably wouldn't if I tried again, although I'm not
afraid of communion or Nytol.
But but but Gary ... you know what the thumpers say. If you (any
alcoholic) don't go to meetings you'll get drunk. Seeing as I don't go
to meetings anymore but haven't gotten drunk I must not be an alcoholic. Since I'm not an alcoholic, then, why would I want or need to go to
meetings?