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Not surprising at all ... especially as you are a Captain of the
'private' by 'invite' style of aa ... which could be argued ain't
really anymore aa than the say 'back to basic' shit that passes itself
off as AA.
But then I really do believe AA has already started it's crumbling
from within -- and it's not a recent deal -- been going on for
decades.
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:58:13 -0400, "Jimbo" <jblair@videotron.ca>
wrote:
But then I really do believe AA has already started it's crumbling
from within -- and it's not a recent deal -- been going on for
decades. But that's just a personal opinion and as such doesn't mean
much __ at least not enough to say for sure the dog had time to take a
shit and still catch the rabbit.
"Tex" wrote
Not surprising at all ... especially as you are a Captain of the
'private' by 'invite' style of aa ... which could be argued ain't
really anymore aa than the say 'back to basic' shit that passes itself
off as AA.
We are a group registered with GSO and contribute to GSO.
But then I really do believe AA has already started it's crumbling
from within -- and it's not a recent deal -- been going on for
decades.
History tells me that the problem is that you can make the doorway to AA
so wide that eventually nobody can stay in.
I go to private meetings b/c I got to the point where maybe 7 out of 10
shares had nothing to do with alcoholism or recovery thru the 12 Steps.
"Tex" <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:lsje379fkotgr0jdh4dp7g6dketu2dd1ef@4ax.com...
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:58:13 -0400, "Jimbo" <jblair@videotron.ca>
wrote:
But then I really do believe AA has already started it's crumbling
from within -- and it's not a recent deal -- been going on for
decades. But that's just a personal opinion and as such doesn't mean
much __ at least not enough to say for sure the dog had time to take a
shit and still catch the rabbit.
I would agree. I think that the beginning of the end started when the
"old timers" quit speaking up in meetings. If you have a chance to talk
to someone who has over 50 years many will talk about how the old timers
in the meetings told people to shut up and listen and did not put up
with today's treatment center "sharing" concept. They made you get a >sponsor, called you up and told you that you were going to a meeting and
to be ready when they got there to pick you. Pretty hard core AA which I >believe lasted into the 50's and early 60's. Then the liberals and
druggies weasled their way into the meetings, and you know the rest of
the story..........
RonG
Pretty hard core AA which I
believe lasted into the 50's and early 60's. Then the liberals and
druggies weasled their way into the meetings, and you know the rest of
the story..........
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:59:58 -0400, RonG <ron@network12.com> wrote:
Pretty hard core AA which IDo you mean just Tea Party Members used to be real Drunks, and then the
believe lasted into the 50's and early 60's. Then the liberals and
druggies weasled their way into the meetings, and you know the rest of
the story..........
damn Liberals spoiled AA? :-)
"Ted L." wrote
>That stinks. If I had followed that I wouldn't have sobered up.
That is just your stinking opinion. The fact is that many thousands of members in the Akron-Cleveland sphere of AA took the steps in this format.
The BB says...an alcoholic without help will die! I have begged to ur
God, I have begged to be of service. I may be one of the most
intelligent dumb fucks you'll ever meet? I asked before, test me on ur
BB, test me about the Oxford group, about this alcohol problem.
"Tex" <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:lsje379fkotgr0jdh4dp7g6dketu2dd1ef@4ax.com...
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:58:13 -0400, "Jimbo" <jblair@videotron.ca>
wrote:
But then I really do believe AA has already started it's crumbling
from within -- and it's not a recent deal -- been going on for
decades. But that's just a personal opinion and as such doesn't mean
much __ at least not enough to say for sure the dog had time to take a
shit and still catch the rabbit.
I would agree. I think that the beginning of the end started when the "old timers" quit speaking up in meetings. If you have a chance to talk to someone who has over 50 years many will talk about how the old timers in
the meetings told people to shut up and listen and did not put up with today's treatment center "sharing" concept. They made you get a sponsor, called you up and told you that you were going to a meeting and to be
ready when they got there to pick you. Pretty hard core AA which I believe lasted into the 50's and early 60's. Then the liberals and druggies
weasled their way into the meetings, and you know the rest of the story..........
RonG
long time people said I was anti-social ... I bought into that for a
number of years ... then I discovered I'm not anti-social ... I'm just
not social ... and that I really not alone in that respect either.
On 8/1/2011 10:39 PM, Tex wrote:
I'm not into non-aa social gatherings either ... for a
long time people said I was anti-social ... I bought into that for a
number of years ... then I discovered I'm not anti-social ... I'm just
not social ... and that I really not alone in that respect either.
I can identify. I really don't mind the social gatherings I attend
mostly for my wife's benefit, but, truth be told, I'd usually rather be
home engaging in one of my several hobbies, or just relaxing.
As for AA social gatherings in particular, I guess they serve a good
purpose for people new in sobriety who need "safe" activities to keep
them out of trouble. But I've always found that if I spend too much time >with AA'ers outside of the rooms, my image of them becomes tarnished
pretty quickly. In others words, I'd rather think of old Joe as the
fellow who says such wise things in meetings, than as the old bastard
who cheats on his taxes and his wife. :-)
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:59:58 -0400, RonG <ron@network12.com> wrote:
Pretty hard core AA which IDo you mean just Tea Party Members used to be real Drunks, and then the
believe lasted into the 50's and early 60's. Then the liberals and
druggies weasled their way into the meetings, and you know the rest of
the story..........
damn Liberals spoiled AA? :-)
I have said several times lately that I dont think I'll go to AA much
longer because they are too serious and dull. This time of year there
are so many things I'd rather do. But I know when winter comes, I'll
be back to meetings because that's all there is.
On 8/2/2011 8:47 AM, Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.02@myplace.com wrote:
I have said several times lately that I dont think I'll go to AA
much longer because they are too serious and dull. This time of
year there are so many things I'd rather do. But I know when
winter comes, I'll be back to meetings because that's all there
is.
I can understand how you feel. The meetings I go to have a lot of
laughter and clowning around. I wouldn't have it any other way.
On 8/1/2011 10:39 PM, Tex wrote:
I'm not into non-aa social gatherings either ... for a
long time people said I was anti-social ... I bought into that for a
number of years ... then I discovered I'm not anti-social ... I'm just
not social ... and that I really not alone in that respect either.
I can identify. I really don't mind the social gatherings I attend
mostly for my wife's benefit, but, truth be told, I'd usually rather be
home engaging in one of my several hobbies, or just relaxing.
As for AA social gatherings in particular, I guess they serve a good
purpose for people new in sobriety who need "safe" activities to keep
them out of trouble. But I've always found that if I spend too much time with AA'ers outside of the rooms, my image of them becomes tarnished
pretty quickly. In others words, I'd rather think of old Joe as the
fellow who says such wise things in meetings, than as the old bastard
who cheats on his taxes and his wife. :-)
... then I discovered I'm not anti-social ... I'm just
not social ... and that I really not alone in that respect either.
Fuck all that>>> Just do what parts of the watered down version of AA
that fit ... mainly go to lots of meetings and work in as much flowery
god is good and does a lot for me happy horseshit and you'll be fine
and on your way to being a 21st century aa guru!
People just git too serious about all this not drinking bullshit ...
"Tex" <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote
But then I really do believe AA has already started it's crumbling
from within -- and it's not a recent deal -- been going on for
decades. But that's just a personal opinion and as such doesn't mean
much __ at least not enough to say for sure the dog had time to take a
shit and still catch the rabbit.
I would agree. I think that the beginning of the end started when the
"old timers" quit speaking up in meetings. If you have a chance to talk
to someone who has over 50 years many will talk about how the old timers
in the meetings told people to shut up and listen and did not put up
with today's treatment center "sharing" concept. They made you get a sponsor, called you up and told you that you were going to a meeting and
to be ready when they got there to pick you. Pretty hard core AA which I believe lasted into the 50's and early 60's. Then the liberals and
druggies weasled their way into the meetings, and you know the rest of
the story..........
Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
On 8/1/2011 9:39 AM, Johnny wrote:
The BB says...an alcoholic without help will die! I have begged to ur
God, I have begged to be of service. I may be one of the most
intelligent dumb fucks you'll ever meet? I asked before, test me on ur
BB, test me about the Oxford group, about this alcohol problem.
You want a test?
Don't drink for the next 6 months.
Hell, he can't last 6 days.
--
Mark Warner
...lose .inhibitions when replying
AA has been going to hell ever since I got here. Maybe there's a connection...
On 08/02/2011 11:13 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
AA has been going to hell ever since I got here. Maybe there's a
connection...
Hell, you may be of the few guys keeping it on the rails, what with your
pot shots & observations...Seriously.
are trying to avoid, flaws and mistakes?
"Grasshopper" wrote in message Is it true, Master, that
perfectionists constantly look for what they
are trying to avoid, flaws and mistakes?
Fuck off, cockroach!!
"Grasshopper" wrote in message:
Is it true, Master, that perfectionists constantly look for what they
are trying to avoid, flaws and mistakes?
Fuck off, cockroach!!
On 08/01/2011 11:39 PM, Tex wrote:
... then I discovered I'm not anti-social ... I'm just
not social ... and that I really not alone in that respect either.
Hey, never apologize for being a prick....Fuck'em.