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On 08/01/2011 03:00 PM, Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.00@myplace.com wrote:
For those of you who do drink NA beer, what brand do you like best?
To answer this myself. O'Doul's comes in second.
Busch NA is the best. It has a stronger flavor, whereas O'Douls
tastes more watered down, and loses it's fizz in minutes.
Funny thing, they are both made by the same company,
Anheuser-Busch.
Kaliber (sp?) is not bad
Skeezix LaRocca <fatlumbo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.00@myplace.com wrote:
For those of you who do drink NA beer, what brand do you like best?
To answer this myself. O'Doul's comes in second.
Busch NA is the best. It has a stronger flavor, whereas O'Douls
tastes more watered down, and loses it's fizz in minutes.
Funny thing, they are both made by the same company,
Anheuser-Busch.
Kaliber (sp?) is not bad
Agree with this. Also, O'Doul's makes an amber that isn't bad at
all. These are my two favoraites.
Don't care for the St. Pauli Girl NA--lots of hops flavor, and not
much else to balance it.
On 08/01/2011 03:00 PM, Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.00@myplace.com wrote:
For those of you who do drink NA beer, what brand do you like best?
To answer this myself. O'Doul's comes in second.
Busch NA is the best. It has a stronger flavor, whereas O'Douls
tastes more watered down, and loses it's fizz in minutes.
Funny thing, they are both made by the same company,
Anheuser-Busch.
Kaliber (sp?) is not bad
Of course when I drank the real stuff, I preferred a strong flavor
beer. I never much cared for Lite beer.
(The worst NA beer was the original one, Kingsbury..... I have not
seen that stuff in years, but it was terrible).
That Zing was some nasty shit also.
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:35:18 -0400,
Skeezix LaRocca <fatlumbo@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 08/01/2011 03:00 PM, Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.00@myplace.com wrote:
For those of you who do drink NA beer, what brand do you like best?
To answer this myself. O'Doul's comes in second.
Busch NA is the best. It has a stronger flavor, whereas O'Douls
tastes more watered down, and loses it's fizz in minutes.
Funny thing, they are both made by the same company,
Anheuser-Busch.
Kaliber (sp?) is not bad
Agree with this. Also, O'Doul's makes an amber that isn't bad at
all. These are my two favoraites.
Don't care for the St. Pauli Girl NA--lots of hops flavor, and not
much else to balance it.
And you guys call yourselves sober. Sheesh.
Ted H wrote:
Skeezix LaRocca <fatlumbo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.00@myplace.com wrote:
For those of you who do drink NA beer, what brand do you like
best?
To answer this myself. O'Doul's comes in second. Busch NA is
the best. It has a stronger flavor, whereas O'Douls tastes
more watered down, and loses it's fizz in minutes.
Kaliber (sp?) is not bad
Agree with this. Also, O'Doul's makes an amber that isn't bad
at all. These are my two favoraites.
Don't care for the St. Pauli Girl NA--lots of hops flavor, and
not much else to balance it.
And you guys call yourselves sober. Sheesh.
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:35:18 -0400, Skeezix LaRocca
<fatlumbo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kaliber (sp?) is not bad
Now that you mentioned it, I did have one of those Kalibers
once, and liked it quite a bit. They had it at a festival I was
at. It dont seem to be stocked locally though. In fact thats
the only time I ever saw it.
Someone told me that Coors has a NA too, but I've never seen
that one either.
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:58:05 -0500,<Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.02@myplace.com> wrote:
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.02@myplace.com
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:35:18 -0400, Skeezix LaRocca
<fatlumbo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kaliber (sp?) is not bad
Now that you mentioned it, I did have one of those Kalibers
once, and liked it quite a bit. They had it at a festival I was
at. It dont seem to be stocked locally though. In fact thats
the only time I ever saw it.
Someone told me that Coors has a NA too, but I've never seen
that one either.
I think it's called Sharps maybe? I tried one long ago, and
wasn't that impressed. O'Douls is better.
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic wrote:
Someone told me that Coors has a NA too, but I've never seen
that one either.
I think it's called Sharps maybe? I tried one long ago, and
wasn't that impressed. O'Douls is better.
Ted H wrote:
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic wrote:
Someone told me that Coors has a NA too, but I've never seen that one
either.
I think it's called Sharps maybe? I tried one long ago, and wasn't
that impressed. O'Douls is better.
Coors Cutter.
Sharps is a Miller product, O'Douls is from AB.
Sharps and O'Douls were introduced at about the same time, roughly
twenty years ago, and both were equally available. I preferred Sharps, myself. Seems like O'Douls has outpaced Sharps by a long shot in the
years since. You can get it most anywhere, while Sharps is a rare find.
Mark Warner wrote:
Ted H wrote:
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic wrote:Coors Cutter.
Someone told me that Coors has a NA too, but I've never seen that oneI think it's called Sharps maybe? I tried one long ago, and wasn't
either.
that impressed. O'Douls is better.
Sharps is a Miller product, O'Douls is from AB.
Sharps and O'Douls were introduced at about the same time, roughly
twenty years ago, and both were equally available. I preferred Sharps,
myself. Seems like O'Douls has outpaced Sharps by a long shot in the
years since. You can get it most anywhere, while Sharps is a rare find.
Buckler a Holland import.
Ted H wrote:
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic wrote:
Someone told me that Coors has a NA too, but I've never seen
that one either.
I think it's called Sharps maybe? I tried one long ago, and
wasn't that impressed. O'Douls is better.
Coors Cutter.
Sharps is a Miller product, O'Douls is from AB.
Sharps and O'Douls were introduced at about the same time, roughly
twenty years ago, and both were equally available. I preferred Sharps, >myself. Seems like O'Douls has outpaced Sharps by a long shot in the
years since. You can get it most anywhere, while Sharps is a rare find.
totfit wrote:
Mark Warner wrote:
Ted H wrote:
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic wrote:Coors Cutter.
Someone told me that Coors has a NA too, but I've never seen that one >>>>> either.I think it's called Sharps maybe? I tried one long ago, and wasn't
that impressed. O'Douls is better.
Sharps is a Miller product, O'Douls is from AB.
Sharps and O'Douls were introduced at about the same time, roughly
twenty years ago, and both were equally available. I preferred Sharps,
myself. Seems like O'Douls has outpaced Sharps by a long shot in the
years since. You can get it most anywhere, while Sharps is a rare find.
Buckler a Holland import.
You just gotta know this thread is sending mike around the bend.
totfit wrote:
Mark Warner wrote:
Ted H wrote:
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic wrote:Coors Cutter.
Someone told me that Coors has a NA too, but I've never seen that one >>>>> either.I think it's called Sharps maybe? I tried one long ago, and wasn't
that impressed. O'Douls is better.
Sharps is a Miller product, O'Douls is from AB.
Sharps and O'Douls were introduced at about the same time, roughly
twenty years ago, and both were equally available. I preferred Sharps,
myself. Seems like O'Douls has outpaced Sharps by a long shot in the
years since. You can get it most anywhere, while Sharps is a rare find.
Buckler a Holland import.
You just gotta know this thread is sending mike around the bend.
Mark Warner wrote:
totfit wrote:
Mark Warner wrote:
Ted H wrote:Buckler a Holland import.
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic wrote:Coors Cutter.
Someone told me that Coors has a NA too, but I've never seen that one >>>>>> either.I think it's called Sharps maybe? I tried one long ago, and wasn't
that impressed. O'Douls is better.
Sharps is a Miller product, O'Douls is from AB.
Sharps and O'Douls were introduced at about the same time, roughly
twenty years ago, and both were equally available. I preferred Sharps, >>>> myself. Seems like O'Douls has outpaced Sharps by a long shot in the
years since. You can get it most anywhere, while Sharps is a rare find. >>>
You just gotta know this thread is sending mike around the bend.
Ha! I *knew* none of you guys was sober!
You just gotta know this thread is sending mike around the bend.
For those of you who do drink NA beer, what brand do you like best?
Mark Warner, 8/2/2011,8:33:35 PM, wrote:
You just gotta know this thread is sending mike around the bend.
No, it's just confirming the sad state of what some people consider
recovery from alcoholism these days.
Mark Warner, 8/2/2011,8:33:35 PM, wrote:
You just gotta know this thread is sending mike around the bend.
No, it's just confirming the sad state of what some people consider
recovery from alcoholism these days.
Non-alcoholic beer is for Non-alcoholics. Drinking pretend beer goes hand-in-hand with pretend sobriety.>>
mike wrote:
Non-alcoholic beer is for Non-alcoholics. Drinking pretend beer goes
hand-in-hand with pretend sobriety.>>
Was true for me. I had quit going to AA meetings and about 8 years
sober, had one of those O'Doul's with Mexican during a dinner at a >restaurant. Tasted good. Nice, fresh, cold. Tasted like, well, beer.
After a few days, thought one of those new "hand-crafted" ales sounded
like just the ticket. I relapsed. Bad.
Glad I made it back, glad I didn't kill anyone. Glad I know that my body >kicks in a craving when I play games with what I put in it.
This is my experience.
That's why I'm Lucky.
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:17 -0600, "Lucky"
<huh@pointless.invalid>
wrote:
Hell, if I relapsed everytime i drink a NA beer, I'd relapsetimes a week. If anything, NA has helped me avoid real beer.
several
When I
crave a beer, it's mostly for the taste. NA fills that gap.
Like I
said, I quit alcohol, I never made a commitment to quit drinking
anything called "beer". No where in the AA big book does it say
to
stop drinking beer either. The word used is ALCOHOL.
<Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.06@myplace.com> wrote in message >news:ljjh37dv2vqmnj8ucnpnt9v1li7ffcdofs@4ax.com...
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:17 -0600, "Lucky"
<huh@pointless.invalid>
wrote:
Hell, if I relapsed everytime i drink a NA beer, I'd relapsetimes a week. If anything, NA has helped me avoid real beer.
several
When I
crave a beer, it's mostly for the taste. NA fills that gap.
Like I
said, I quit alcohol, I never made a commitment to quit drinking
anything called "beer". No where in the AA big book does it say
to
stop drinking beer either. The word used is ALCOHOL.
ROOT beer, for example, doesn't LOOK, TASTE, or SMELL like regular
beer. On the other hand, NA Beer DOES LOOK, TASTE, and SMELL like
regular beer.
The fact that you are extremely defensive about your use of NA beer
makes it patently clear to anyone with a functioning brain that you
are playing "let's pretend" with your choice of beverages. I dare
you to go even ONE year without an NA beer. I doubt you would last.
No, it's just confirming the sad state of what some people consider
recovery from alcoholism these days.
And you prove how people become so addicted to AA thay they lose touch
with reality. Addiction to AA is nearly as bad as addiction to
alcohol or drugs.
Sobriety is about quitting alcohol, not quitting anything containing
the word 'beer' (even rootbeer).
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.00@myplace.com, 8/1/2011,3:00:35 PM, wrote:
For those of you who do drink NA beer, what brand do you like best?
Non-alcoholic beer is for Non-alcoholics. Drinking pretend beer goes hand-in-hand with pretend sobriety.
The fact that you are extremely defensive about your use of NA beer
makes it patently clear to anyone with a functioning brain that you are playing "let's pretend" with your choice of beverages. I dare you to go
even ONE year without an NA beer. I doubt you would last.
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:19:06 +0000 (UTC), "mike"
<into.action.mike@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Warner, 8/2/2011,8:33:35 PM, wrote:
You just gotta know this thread is sending mike around the bend.
No, it's just confirming the sad state of what some people consider recovery from alcoholism these days.
And you prove how people become so addicted to AA thay they lose touch
with reality. Addiction to AA is nearly as bad as addiction to
alcohol or drugs.
Sobriety is about quitting alcohol, not quitting anything containing
the word 'beer' (even rootbeer).
On 08/02/2011 10:26 PM, Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.04@myplace.com wrote:
And you prove how people become so addicted to AA thay they lose touchEx. every once in awhile, there is more to you than meets the eye...Not
with reality. Addiction to AA is nearly as bad as addiction to alcohol
or drugs.
Sobriety is about quitting alcohol, not quitting anything containing
the word 'beer' (even rootbeer).
often mind you, but it does happen.
I said "recovery from alcoholism". Their is a mindset still lurking
when someone can't let go of the alcoholic lifestyle and tries to
continue the same behaviors without actually taking the final plunge.
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:32:38 -0400, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:fun to go fishin'
On 08/02/2011 10:26 PM, Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.04@myplace.com wrote:
And you prove how people become so addicted to AA thay they lose touchEx. every once in awhile, there is more to you than meets the eye...Not
with reality. Addiction to AA is nearly as bad as addiction to alcohol
or drugs.
Sobriety is about quitting alcohol, not quitting anything containing
the word 'beer' (even rootbeer).
often mind you, but it does happen.
Dunno there Skeezix. Seems the general defines of Sobriety leaves room
for temperate and responsible use of alcohol at the discretion of a user
or *normal* per se, person and not the abnormal or obsessive or
compulsive, insane use of alcohol, by the person described in the program
of recovery as outlined in the book for Alcoholics Anonymous in Chapter
five that is suggested as a program of recovery for alcoholics of and for
a certain type which is outlined in previous chapters and as means of restoration to *sanity* for those folk who wound up in a seemingly
hopeless state of mind and body, came to realize that, and became willing
and ready to go to any length to get out of or past that seemingly
hopeless state, even if one of the lengths was stopping, or sincerely
wanting to not drink alcohol any more and were wanting relief from the *insanity* of trying to continue to drink in the above stated hopeless
state.
Sober minded does not necessarily exclude the use of alcohol no more than
the word beer in root beer or ginger beer, etc. mean that the beverage includes alcohol.
But starting NA Beer threads on an Alcohol Recovery oriented newsgroup is
a damn *good* troll of the variety, particularly the primary intent of
which is provoking readers into an emotional response, primarily due to
NA beer being about like sex in Chapter 5. where it states:
"Here we find human opinions running to extremes - absurd extremes,
perhaps."
And some people are almost certain to get *emotional* about things that
can cover as broad a spectrum as defined above.
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts *inflammatory*
extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an sure is
online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the *primary* intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted". While
the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with
Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
The 2nd step *does* *not* *say* "Came to believe that a Power greater
than ourselves could restore us to sobriety."
CC
All things said, it sure is fun to go fishin.
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:06:40 +0000 (UTC), "mike"
<into.action.mike@gmail.com> wrote:
I said "recovery from alcoholism". Their is a mindset still
lurking
when someone can't let go of the alcoholic lifestyle and tries to
continue the same behaviors without actually taking the final
plunge.
No thanks. I'll stick to being a party animal !!!!! Just a
sober
one..... Besides that, being sober allows me to have more time
and
money to party, because I dont spent the money on booze and dont
spend
my time nursing hangovers. That means more time for *real*
fun.....
mike wrote:
Non-alcoholic beer is for Non-alcoholics. Drinking pretend beer goes
hand-in-hand with pretend sobriety.>>
Was true for me. I had quit going to AA meetings and about 8 years
sober, had one of those O'Doul's with Mexican during a dinner at a restaurant. Tasted good. Nice, fresh, cold. Tasted like, well, beer.
After a few days, thought one of those new "hand-crafted" ales sounded
like just the ticket. I relapsed. Bad.
Glad I made it back, glad I didn't kill anyone. Glad I know that my body kicks in a craving when I play games with what I put in it.
This is my experience.
That's why I'm Lucky.
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:17 -0600, "Lucky"<huh@pointless.invalid>
wrote:
mike wrote:
Non-alcoholic beer is for Non-alcoholics. Drinking pretend beer goes
hand-in-hand with pretend sobriety.>>
Was true for me. I had quit going to AA meetings and about 8 years
sober, had one of those O'Doul's with Mexican during a dinner at a
restaurant. Tasted good. Nice, fresh, cold. Tasted like, well, beer.
After a few days, thought one of those new "hand-crafted" ales sounded
like just the ticket. I relapsed. Bad.
Glad I made it back, glad I didn't kill anyone. Glad I know that my body
kicks in a craving when I play games with what I put in it.
This is my experience.
That's why I'm Lucky.
It's all in the mind. You could have just had another NA beer. You
just used this as an excuse to do what you probably would have done
without that NA beer......
<Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.06@myplace.com> wrote in message news:448i37164teka3s0rjglhir720pbtb7m9n@4ax.com...
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:06:40 +0000 (UTC), "mike"
<into.action.mike@gmail.com> wrote:
I said "recovery from alcoholism". Their is a mindset still lurkingNo thanks. I'll stick to being a party animal !!!!! Just a sober
when someone can't let go of the alcoholic lifestyle and tries to
continue the same behaviors without actually taking the final plunge.
one..... Besides that, being sober allows me to have more time and
money to party, because I dont spent the money on booze and dont spend
my time nursing hangovers. That means more time for *real* fun.....
The FACT that you are so defensive on this issue exposes your innermost doubts on the issue. There are hundreds of beverages that do NOT look,
taste, and smell like real beer. Why do you persist in HAVING to use a beverage that DOES LOOK, SMELL, and TASTE like real beer? You have no answers, aside from ad hominem attacks on the messenger.
On 08/03/2011 02:46 AM, Sharx3335 wrote:
The fact that you are extremely defensive about your use of NA beer
makes it patently clear to anyone with a functioning brain that you are
playing "let's pretend" with your choice of beverages. I dare you to go
even ONE year without an NA beer. I doubt you would last.
Shit Dave, I used to have NA beer all the time, but since I lost a lot
of weight, I have not had one in 3 years...I would just as soon eat the
100 or so calories, not drink them.
Try another theory.
mike wrote:
Non-alcoholic beer is for Non-alcoholics. Drinking pretend beer goes
hand-in-hand with pretend sobriety.>>
Was true for me. I had quit going to AA meetings and about 8 years
sober, had one of those O'Doul's with Mexican during a dinner at a restaurant. Tasted good. Nice, fresh, cold. Tasted like, well, beer.
After a few days, thought one of those new "hand-crafted" ales sounded
like just the ticket. I relapsed. Bad.
Glad I made it back, glad I didn't kill anyone. Glad I know that my body kicks in a craving when I play games with what I put in it.
This is my experience.
That's why I'm Lucky.
On 8/2/2011 11:35 PM, Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.06@myplace.com wrote:
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:17 -0600, "Lucky"<huh@pointless.invalid>
wrote:
mike wrote:
Non-alcoholic beer is for Non-alcoholics. Drinking pretend beer goes
hand-in-hand with pretend sobriety.>>
Was true for me. I had quit going to AA meetings and about 8 years
sober, had one of those O'Doul's with Mexican during a dinner at a
restaurant. Tasted good. Nice, fresh, cold. Tasted like, well, beer.
After a few days, thought one of those new "hand-crafted" ales sounded
like just the ticket. I relapsed. Bad.
Glad I made it back, glad I didn't kill anyone. Glad I know that my body >>> kicks in a craving when I play games with what I put in it.
This is my experience.
That's why I'm Lucky.
It's all in the mind. You could have just had another NA beer. You
just used this as an excuse to do what you probably would have done
without that NA beer......
In this case, I have to agree with Ex.
The taste of that NA beer may have been the final nudge to put you over
the edge. But to go from "Gee, this NA beer tastes good" to "I think a *real* beer would be okay", there had to already be a thought of
drinking, perhaps subconscious, rolling around in your mind somewhere.
In fact, if you were not a regular drinker of NA beer, the decision to
have that NA beer in the first place may have been an indication of
where you were already headed.
I know I'm guilty here of psychoanalysis without a license, so I
apologize in advance. :-)
Just IMHO, it's not about whether you drink NA beer or not, it's about
where your head is at in doing it. I personally drank a whole lot of
beer in my time, but I was never really crazy about the taste. I liked
what it did for me. For that reason, I don't drink NA beer. I prefer
the taste of Coke, or Pepsi, or lemonade, or iced tea. If *I* started craving an NA beer, it might be a sign of something wrong. But for
people who drink it on a somewhat regular basis, just because they like
the taste, I see no problem.
Look at it another way: If Mark's been drinking NA beer for many years without relapse to the real thing, and he suddenly goes out and gets
drunk tomorrow, would it really make any sense that the NA beer had
anything to do with it? No, because that behavior was a constant.
Something *else* would have to have changed.
Lucky wrote:
mike wrote:
Non-alcoholic beer is for Non-alcoholics. Drinking pretend beer
goes hand-in-hand with pretend sobriety.>>
Was true for me. I had quit going to AA meetings and about 8 years
sober, had one of those O'Doul's with Mexican during a dinner at a
restaurant. Tasted good. Nice, fresh, cold. Tasted like, well, beer.
After a few days, thought one of those new "hand-crafted" ales
sounded like just the ticket. I relapsed. Bad.
Glad I made it back, glad I didn't kill anyone. Glad I know that my
body kicks in a craving when I play games with what I put in it.
This is my experience.
That's why I'm Lucky.
Sounds to me like you should stay away from Mexican.
On 8/3/2011 12:25 AM, Lucky wrote:
mike wrote:
Non-alcoholic beer is for Non-alcoholics. Drinking pretend beer
goes hand-in-hand with pretend sobriety.>>
Was true for me. I had quit going to AA meetings and about 8 years
sober, had one of those O'Doul's with Mexican during a dinner at a
restaurant. Tasted good. Nice, fresh, cold. Tasted like, well, beer.
After a few days, thought one of those new "hand-crafted" ales
sounded like just the ticket. I relapsed. Bad.
Glad I made it back, glad I didn't kill anyone. Glad I know that my
body kicks in a craving when I play games with what I put in it.
This is my experience.
That's why I'm Lucky.
I have been sober for over twenty years and have been drinking NA Beer
for more than half that time.
I have never thought twice about maybe drinking a real beer.
This is my experience.
The taste of that NA beer may have been the final nudge to put you
over the edge. But to go from "Gee, this NA beer tastes good" to "I
think a *real* beer would be okay", there had to already be a thought
of drinking, perhaps subconscious, rolling around in your mind
somewhere.
Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
The taste of that NA beer may have been the final nudge to put you
over the edge. But to go from "Gee, this NA beer tastes good" to "I
think a *real* beer would be okay", there had to already be a thought
of drinking, perhaps subconscious, rolling around in your mind
somewhere.
Made me a believer about the insanity of the first drink. I don't debate about who is gonna win that battle.
In this case, I have to agree with Ex.
The taste of that NA beer may have been the final nudge to put you over
the edge. But to go from "Gee, this NA beer tastes good" to "I think a
*real* beer would be okay", there had to already be a thought of
drinking, perhaps subconscious, rolling around in your mind somewhere.
In fact, if you were not a regular drinker of NA beer, the decision to
have that NA beer in the first place may have been an indication of
where you were already headed.
I know I'm guilty here of psychoanalysis without a license, so I
apologize in advance. :-)
Just IMHO, it's not about whether you drink NA beer or not, it's about
where your head is at in doing it. I personally drank a whole lot of
beer in my time, but I was never really crazy about the taste. I liked
what it did for me. For that reason, I don't drink NA beer. I prefer the taste of Coke, or Pepsi, or lemonade, or iced tea. If *I* started
craving an NA beer, it might be a sign of something wrong. But for
people who drink it on a somewhat regular basis, just because they like
the taste, I see no problem.
I personally drank a whole lot of
beer in my time, but I was never really crazy about the taste. I liked
what it did for me. For that reason, I don't drink NA beer. I prefer the taste of Coke, or Pepsi, or lemonade, or iced tea.
The topic is jiust about folks poking into other people's business
and being judgmental without any qualification at all. People who
haven't drank near beer returned to drinking. It's a control factor
for thumps. No caring, not loving, but control. "See how big a AA I
am,, I know everything even if it's not passed along to me by the AA
prophet and savior (that is to say, not in the BB).
Like that 'bout 125 pound yellow cat my brother hooked on trot line over close to Palestine in old Ox Bow off the Trinity once. Big sumbich
flounced and tangled my bro up in line and damn near drowned em 'fore he could get he knife out of scabbard and cut himself loose and float to surface. Sheesh! Took us 'bout twenty minutes slapping him on back to git
all damn water out of em. ;-)
CC
On 08/03/2011 07:06 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
Like that 'bout 125 pound yellow cat my brother hooked on trot line
over close to Palestine in old Ox Bow off the Trinity once. Big
sumbich flounced and tangled my bro up in line and damn near drowned
em 'fore he could get he knife out of scabbard and cut himself loose
and float to surface. Sheesh! Took us 'bout twenty minutes slapping
him on back to git all damn water out of em. ;-)
CC
My guess is that Ex landed Mike the Yellow Cat ...He's prolly gotta
thank mark for tossin' out a tasty bit or two of chum.
It makes me kind of queasy to read so-called recovered alcoholics defend
and define the drinking of so-called non-alcoholic beer. Y'all so
cynical about it now that you call it trolling? My gut instinct as an alcoholic is exactly the bit about "recoil as if from a hot flame". Everything in me is a steel core against this kind of sophistry and I'd
even go to say there's something sickening to me about looking at the
people who play this game. Didn't know there were so many here. Mike's
an asshole but I'd trust him before I'd trust the NA pussies and shills.
I don't trust them at all. Don't respect your opinons or character, so
see ya. Wet drunks are at least very obviously drunk, thus
transparently honest. HA. What a collection of turds I see.
Lucky
It makes me kind of queasy to read so-called recovered alcoholics defend
and define the drinking of so-called non-alcoholic beer. Y'all so
cynical about it now that you call it trolling? My gut instinct as an alcoholic is exactly the bit about "recoil as if from a hot flame". Everything in me is a steel core against this kind of sophistry and I'd
even go to say there's something sickening to me about looking at the
people who play this game. Didn't know there were so many here. Mike's
an asshole but I'd trust him before I'd trust the NA pussies and shills.
I don't trust them at all. Don't respect your opinons or character, so
see ya. Wet drunks are at least very obviously drunk, thus
transparently honest. HA. What a collection of turds I see.
Lucky
Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:06 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
Like that 'bout 125 pound yellow cat my brother hooked on trot lineMy guess is that Ex landed Mike the Yellow Cat ...He's prolly gotta
over close to Palestine in old Ox Bow off the Trinity once. Big
sumbich flounced and tangled my bro up in line and damn near drowned
em 'fore he could get he knife out of scabbard and cut himself loose
and float to surface. Sheesh! Took us 'bout twenty minutes slapping
him on back to git all damn water out of em. ;-)
CC
thank mark for tossin' out a tasty bit or two of chum.
It makes me kind of queasy to read so-called recovered alcoholics defend
and define the drinking of so-called non-alcoholic beer. Y'all so
cynical about it now that you call it trolling? My gut instinct as an alcoholic is exactly the bit about "recoil as if from a hot flame". Everything in me is a steel core against this kind of sophistry and I'd
even go to say there's something sickening to me about looking at the
people who play this game. Didn't know there were so many here. Mike's
an asshole but I'd trust him before I'd trust the NA pussies and shills.
I don't trust them at all. Don't respect your opinons or character, so
see ya. Wet drunks are at least very obviously drunk, thus
transparently honest. HA. What a collection of turds I see.
Lucky
Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
My guess is that Ex landed Mike the Yellow Cat ...He's prolly gotta
thank mark for tossin' out a tasty bit or two of chum.
It makes me kind of queasy to read so-called recovered alcoholicsdefend
and define the drinking of so-called non-alcoholic beer. Y'all soMike's
cynical about it now that you call it trolling? My gut instinct as an alcoholic is exactly the bit about "recoil as if from a hot flame". Everything in me is a steel core against this kind of sophistry and I'd
even go to say there's something sickening to me about looking at the
people who play this game. Didn't know there were so many here.
an asshole but I'd trust him before I'd trust the NA pussies andshills.
I don't trust them at all. Don't respect your opinons or character, so
see ya. Wet drunks are at least very obviously drunk, thus
transparently honest. HA. What a collection of turds I see.
Wow. You struck me as an open-minded, live-and-let-live kind of person
until /that/ rant.
Oh well.....
that is unless or until doing so jeopardizes mine.
Old Chinese Barnyard Philosopher say:
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I'm impressed. My newsreader displayed that as Chinese characters (I guess).
I have no idea if it did so correctly.
On 08/03/2011 01:28 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
Wow. You struck me as an open-minded, live-and-let-live kind of person
until /that/ rant.
Oh well.....
Looks like some things never change, eh Charlie ?
Seems like nothing brings out the Nazi Armbands quicker than a good'ol
NA Beer thread.
On 8/3/2011 12:36 PM, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
On 08/03/2011 01:28 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
Wow. You struck me as an open-minded, live-and-let-live kind of person
until /that/ rant.
Oh well.....
Looks like some things never change, eh Charlie ?
Seems like nothing brings out the Nazi Armbands quicker than a good'ol
NA Beer thread.
Man, I dunno what happened. One minute it was "different strokes for different folks", and the next minute we were a horde of wet-drunk
trolls determined to destroy all that AA stands for! :-)
Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
On 8/3/2011 12:36 PM, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
On 08/03/2011 01:28 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
Wow. You struck me as an open-minded, live-and-let-live kind of person >>>> until /that/ rant.
Oh well.....
Looks like some things never change, eh Charlie ?
Seems like nothing brings out the Nazi Armbands quicker than a good'ol
NA Beer thread.
Man, I dunno what happened. One minute it was "different strokes for
different folks", and the next minute we were a horde of wet-drunk
trolls determined to destroy all that AA stands for! :-)
I'm gonna have to side with Lucky on this one... if you pro-NA types
would just admit you've got a problem, and get some help, I'm certain
the world would be a better place. If you want, I can look see if
there's any NA newcomer meetings in your area....
CW wrote:
Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
On 8/3/2011 12:36 PM, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
On 08/03/2011 01:28 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
Wow. You struck me as an open-minded, live-and-let-live kind of person >>>>> until /that/ rant.
Oh well.....
Looks like some things never change, eh Charlie ?
Seems like nothing brings out the Nazi Armbands quicker than a good'ol >>>> NA Beer thread.
Man, I dunno what happened. One minute it was "different strokes for
different folks", and the next minute we were a horde of wet-drunk
trolls determined to destroy all that AA stands for! :-)
I'm gonna have to side with Lucky on this one... if you pro-NA types
would just admit you've got a problem, and get some help, I'm certain
the world would be a better place. If you want, I can look see if
there's any NA newcomer meetings in your area....
Or would that be NAA meetings...???
On 8/3/2011 1:02 PM, CW wrote:person
CW wrote:
Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
On 8/3/2011 12:36 PM, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
On 08/03/2011 01:28 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
Wow. You struck me as an open-minded, live-and-let-live kind of
good'oluntil /that/ rant.
Oh well.....
Looks like some things never change, eh Charlie ?
Seems like nothing brings out the Nazi Armbands quicker than a
NA Beer thread.
Man, I dunno what happened. One minute it was "different strokes for
different folks", and the next minute we were a horde of wet-drunk
trolls determined to destroy all that AA stands for! :-)
I'm gonna have to side with Lucky on this one... if you pro-NA types
would just admit you've got a problem, and get some help, I'm certain
the world would be a better place. If you want, I can look see if
there's any NA newcomer meetings in your area....
Or would that be NAA meetings...???
Yeah, but I'm a pro-NA beer guy who doesn't drink the stuff. I don't
know where the hell I'm supposed to go!
Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
I personally drank a whole lot of
beer in my time, but I was never really crazy about the taste. I liked
what it did for me. For that reason, I don't drink NA beer. I prefer the
taste of Coke, or Pepsi, or lemonade, or iced tea.
If rum and Coke was your drink of choice, would you have to avoid Coke
to stay sober?
<not you personally, just making a point>
I have been sober for over twenty years and have been drinking NA Beer
for more than half that time.
I have never thought twice about maybe drinking a real beer.
This is my experience.
See? There ya go. Different heads, different bodies. Makes no never
mind to me if you're sober or drunk. Lots of people I know in AA are on
pain pills and muscle relaxers and anti-anxiety medication and have long >gotten past wanting a drink.
It makes me kind of queasy to read so-called recovered alcoholics defend
and define the drinking of so-called non-alcoholic beer. Y'all so
cynical about it now that you call it trolling? My gut instinct as an alcoholic is exactly the bit about "recoil as if from a hot flame". Everything in me is a steel core against this kind of sophistry and I'd
even go to say there's something sickening to me about looking at the
people who play this game. Didn't know there were so many here. Mike's
an asshole but I'd trust him before I'd trust the NA pussies and shills.
I don't trust them at all. Don't respect your opinons or character, so
see ya. Wet drunks are at least very obviously drunk, thus
transparently honest. HA. What a collection of turds I see.
It makes me kind of queasy to read so-called recovered alcoholics
defend and define the drinking of so-called non-alcoholic beer. Y'all
so cynical about it now that you call it trolling? My gut instinct
as an alcoholic is exactly the bit about "recoil as if from a hot
flame". Everything in me is a steel core against this kind of
sophistry and I'd even go to say there's something sickening to me
about looking at the people who play this game. Didn't know there
were so many here. Mike's an asshole but I'd trust him before I'd
trust the NA pussies and shills. I don't trust them at all. Don't
respect your opinons or character, so see ya. Wet drunks are at least
very obviously drunk, thus transparently honest. HA. What a
collection of turds I see.
Gary wrote:
The topic is jiust about folks poking into other people's business
and being judgmental without any qualification at all. People who
haven't drank near beer returned to drinking. It's a control factor
for thumps. No caring, not loving, but control. "See how big a AA I
am,, I know everything even if it's not passed along to me by the AA
prophet and savior (that is to say, not in the BB).
Bullshit. It's about preserving the recovery message of the Big Book
of Alcoholics Anonymous for the type of alcoholic desperate for help.
news:ljjh37dv2vqmnj8ucnpnt9v1li7ffcdofs@4ax.com...
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:17 -0600, "Lucky"
<huh@pointless.invalid>
wrote:
Hell, if I relapsed everytime i drink a NA beer, I'd relapse
several times a week. If anything, NA has helped me avoid
real beer.
When I crave a beer, it's mostly for the taste. NA fills that
gap. Like I said, I quit alcohol, I never made a commitment to
quit drinking anything called "beer". No where in the AA big
book does it say to stop drinking beer either. The word used
is ALCOHOL.
ROOT beer, for example, doesn't LOOK, TASTE, or SMELL like
regular beer. On the other hand, NA Beer DOES LOOK, TASTE, and
SMELL like regular beer.
The fact that you are extremely defensive about your use of NA
beer makes it patently clear to anyone with a functioning brain
that you are playing "let's pretend" with your choice of
beverages. I dare you to go even ONE year without an NA beer. I
doubt you would last.
On 8/3/2011 7:07 AM, Sharx3335 wrote:
<Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.06@myplace.com> wrote in message
news:448i37164teka3s0rjglhir720pbtb7m9n@4ax.com...
No thanks. I'll stick to being a party animal !!!!! Just a
sober one..... Besides that, being sober allows me to have
more time and money to party, because I dont spent the money
on booze and dont spend my time nursing hangovers. That means
more time for *real* fun.....
The FACT that you are so defensive on this issue exposes your
innermost doubts on the issue. There are hundreds of beverages
that do NOT look, taste, and smell like real beer. Why do you
persist in HAVING to use a beverage that DOES LOOK, SMELL, and
TASTE like real beer? You have no answers, aside from ad
hominem attacks on the messenger.
There is an awful big selection of soda-pops as well, but I
imagine (if you are like most folks) you have one or two that
are your favorites simply because you like the taste.
Why can't that be the explanation for drinking NA Beer?
On 8/2/2011 11:35 PM, Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.06@myplace.com wrote:
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:17 -0600, "Lucky"<huh@pointless.invalid>
wrote:
Was true for me. I had quit going to AA meetings and about 8
years sober, had one of those O'Doul's with Mexican during a
dinner at a restaurant. Tasted good. Nice, fresh, cold.
Tasted like, well, beer.
After a few days, thought one of those new "hand-crafted" ales
sounded like just the ticket. I relapsed. Bad.
It's all in the mind. You could have just had another NA beer.
You just used this as an excuse to do what you probably would
have done without that NA beer......
In this case, I have to agree with Ex.
The taste of that NA beer may have been the final nudge to put
you over the edge. But to go from "Gee, this NA beer tastes
good" to "I think a *real* beer would be okay", there had to
already be a thought of drinking, perhaps subconscious, rolling
around in your mind somewhere.
Look at it another way: If Mark's been drinking NA beer for
many years without relapse to the real thing, and he suddenly
goes out and gets drunk tomorrow, would it really make any sense
that the NA beer had anything to do with it? No, because that
behavior was a constant. Something *else* would have to have
changed.
mike wrote:
Gary wrote:
The topic is jiust about folks poking into other people's
business and being judgmental without any qualification at
all. People who haven't drank near beer returned to drinking.
It's a control factor for thumps. No caring, not loving, but
control. "See how big a AA I am,, I know everything even if
it's not passed along to me by the AA prophet and savior (that
is to say, not in the BB).
Bullshit. It's about preserving the recovery message of the
Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous for the type of alcoholic
desperate for help.
LOL! So I take it those that have had a "spiritual awakening as
a result of these Steps" are precluded from drinking the *soft*
*drink* of their choice?
You people need to get a grip.
Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
On 8/3/2011 12:36 PM, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
On 08/03/2011 01:28 PM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
Wow. You struck me as an open-minded, live-and-let-live kind
of person until /that/ rant.
Oh well.....
Looks like some things never change, eh Charlie ?
Seems like nothing brings out the Nazi Armbands quicker than a
good'ol NA Beer thread.
Man, I dunno what happened. One minute it was "different
strokes for different folks", and the next minute we were a
horde of wet-drunk trolls determined to destroy all that AA
stands for! :-)
I'm gonna have to side with Lucky on this one... if you pro-NA
types would just admit you've got a problem, and get some help,
I'm certain the world would be a better place. If you want, I
can look see if there's any NA newcomer meetings in your
area....
Charlie M. 1958 <always@impatient.com> wrote:
Look at it another way: If Mark's been drinking NA beer for
many years without relapse to the real thing, and he suddenly
goes out and gets drunk tomorrow, would it really make any sense
that the NA beer had anything to do with it? No, because that
behavior was a constant. Something *else* would have to have
changed.
I agree with Charlie's point here. I've had 1 (rarely 2) bottles
of NA beer every few months for some 20 years. So far no relapse.
How much longer do I need to go?
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:46:15 -0600,
Sharx3335<sharx335@hotmail.com> wrote:
<Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.06@myplace.com> wrote in message
news:ljjh37dv2vqmnj8ucnpnt9v1li7ffcdofs@4ax.com...
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:17 -0600, "Lucky"
<huh@pointless.invalid>
wrote:
Hell, if I relapsed everytime i drink a NA beer, I'd relapse
several times a week. If anything, NA has helped me avoid
real beer.
When I crave a beer, it's mostly for the taste. NA fills that
gap. Like I said, I quit alcohol, I never made a commitment to
quit drinking anything called "beer". No where in the AA big
book does it say to stop drinking beer either. The word used
is ALCOHOL.
ROOT beer, for example, doesn't LOOK, TASTE, or SMELL like
regular beer. On the other hand, NA Beer DOES LOOK, TASTE, and
SMELL like regular beer.
Of course you know that some ROOT beer does contain alcohol.
The fact that you are extremely defensive about your use of NA
beer makes it patently clear to anyone with a functioning brain
that you are playing "let's pretend" with your choice of
beverages. I dare you to go even ONE year without an NA beer. I
doubt you would last.
The fact that you are extremely offensive about use of NA by
others makes it patently clear (isn't that redundant?) that you
are not confident in your sobriety.
On 8/3/2011 3:19 PM, Ted H wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:46:15 -0600,
Sharx3335<sharx335@hotmail.com> wrote:
<Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.06@myplace.com> wrote in message
news:ljjh37dv2vqmnj8ucnpnt9v1li7ffcdofs@4ax.com...
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:17 -0600, "Lucky"
<huh@pointless.invalid>
wrote:
Hell, if I relapsed everytime i drink a NA beer, I'd relapse
several times a week. If anything, NA has helped me avoid
real beer.
When I crave a beer, it's mostly for the taste. NA fills that
gap. Like I said, I quit alcohol, I never made a commitment to
quit drinking anything called "beer". No where in the AA big
book does it say to stop drinking beer either. The word used
is ALCOHOL.
ROOT beer, for example, doesn't LOOK, TASTE, or SMELL like
regular beer. On the other hand, NA Beer DOES LOOK, TASTE, and
SMELL like regular beer.
Of course you know that some ROOT beer does contain alcohol.
The fact that you are extremely defensive about your use of NA
beer makes it patently clear to anyone with a functioning brain
that you are playing "let's pretend" with your choice of
beverages. I dare you to go even ONE year without an NA beer. I
doubt you would last.
The fact that you are extremely offensive about use of NA by
others makes it patently clear (isn't that redundant?) that you
are not confident in your sobriety.
Perhaps its not "offensive" as much as cloaked /defensive/ as in somehow threatened. An interesting angle for exploration. Calling doctor Charlie
M. <g>
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
In article<j1cno6$6cs$1@dont-email.me>,
JoeRaisin<joeraisin2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Likewise, I'm sure.
On 8/3/2011 7:15 PM, Ted L. wrote:
JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Likewise, I'm sure.
Ditto.
Even if it /did/ take an NA beer thread to drag him out of lurk mode. :-)
Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
On 8/3/2011 7:15 PM, Ted L. wrote:
JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Likewise, I'm sure.
Ditto.
Even if it /did/ take an NA beer thread to drag him out of lurk mode.
:-)
So what's it gonna take to get tedw back?
And *that*, my friends, is what you get when people can't accept the
fact that their prejudices just might be wrong. Those you don't agree
with turn into pussies, shills, and turds.
Lucky wrote:
It makes me kind of queasy to read so-called recovered alcoholics
defend and define the drinking of so-called non-alcoholic beer. Y'all
so cynical about it now that you call it trolling? My gut instinct as
an alcoholic is exactly the bit about "recoil as if from a hot flame".
Everything in me is a steel core against this kind of sophistry and I'd
even go to say there's something sickening to me about looking at the
people who play this game. Didn't know there were so many here.
Mike's an asshole but I'd trust him before I'd trust the NA pussies and
shills.
I don't trust them at all. Don't respect your opinons or character, so
see ya. Wet drunks are at least very obviously drunk, thus
transparently honest. HA. What a collection of turds I see.
And *that*, my friends, is what you get when people can't accept the
fact that their prejudices just might be wrong. Those you don't agree
with turn into pussies, shills, and turds.
So what's it gonna take to get tedw back? Another "Fornication with
sheep" or whatever that epic thread was?
Mark Warner wrote:
So what's it gonna take to get tedw back? Another "Fornication with
sheep" or whatever that epic thread was?
That's an Australian thing, isn't it? Must have been brought up by Bob.
Somebody needs to lure Tex back. I'm afraid he might blow up if he
saves up all his wisdom and doesn't pass it on to the rest of us.
Ted H wrote:
Charlie M. 1958 <always@impatient.com> wrote:
Look at it another way: If Mark's been drinking NA beer for
many years without relapse to the real thing, and he suddenly
goes out and gets drunk tomorrow, would it really make any
sense that the NA beer had anything to do with it? No, because
that behavior was a constant. Something *else* would have to
have changed.
I agree with Charlie's point here. I've had 1 (rarely 2)
bottles of NA beer every few months for some 20 years. So far
no relapse. How much longer do I need to go?
Yabbut, have you had *quality* *sobriety*???
Mark Warner wrote:
And *that*, my friends, is what you get when people can't accept the
fact that their prejudices just might be wrong. Those you don't agree
with turn into pussies, shills, and turds.
If people don't agree with me they turn into pussies, shills, and
turds and it doesn't have anything to do with whatever it is you're
drinking ... Just not agreeing is enough! I don't tolerate anyone who disagrees with me it's that simple. I'm one of the chosen and if you
disagree with me you disagree with all that is true and right.
Yabbut, have you had quality sobriety???
Maybe not, mike.
Ted H, 8/3/2011,9:11:02 PM, wrote:
Mark Warner wrote:
Yabbut, have you had quality sobriety???
Maybe not, mike.
It's not too late to try something different. All it takes is the willingness to set aside old ideas and allow God to help you have a new spiritual experience.
Tex wrote:
Mark Warner wrote:
And *that*, my friends, is what you get when people can't accept the
fact that their prejudices just might be wrong. Those you don't agree
with turn into pussies, shills, and turds.
If people don't agree with me they turn into pussies, shills, and
turds and it doesn't have anything to do with whatever it is you're
drinking ... Just not agreeing is enough! I don't tolerate anyone who
disagrees with me it's that simple. I'm one of the chosen and if you
disagree with me you disagree with all that is true and right.
And here I thought tedw was on hiatus...
Somebody needs to lure Tex back. I'm afraid he might blow up if he
saves up all his wisdom and doesn't pass it on to the rest of us.
Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
to stay sober?
If rum and Coke was your drink of choice, would you have to
avoid Coke
<not you personally, just making a point>
Root Beer doesn't TASTE, LOOK, or SMELL like an alcoholic
drink. NA beer most certainly DOES.
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:11:24 +0000 (UTC), "mike"
<into.action.mike@gmail.com> wrote:
Somebody needs to lure Tex back. I'm afraid he might blow up if he
saves up all his wisdom and doesn't pass it on to the rest of us.
Don't be mocking me you dirty bird! Fuck no, Tex, don't want no
cracker! I'm not a parrot. Besides it's impossible for a chosen one to
blow up ... what with truth on our side we don't have to bow down we
stand on our own two feet as we lean back and piss directly into
Satan's Eye!
I'm trying to work off some past signs by filling in for tedw while
he's on vacation.
Tex wrote:
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:11:24 +0000 (UTC), "mike"
<into.action.mike@gmail.com> wrote:
Somebody needs to lure Tex back. I'm afraid he might blow up if he
saves up all his wisdom and doesn't pass it on to the rest of us.
Don't be mocking me you dirty bird! Fuck no, Tex, don't want no
cracker! I'm not a parrot. Besides it's impossible for a chosen one to
blow up ... what with truth on our side we don't have to bow down we
stand on our own two feet as we lean back and piss directly into
Satan's Eye!
Damn, Tex. I think you need to get out the heat awhile and relax.
Put your feet up maybe. Take a load off. And just chill. Then
go ahead and pour yourself an icy cold O'Douls. OK?
Like a told those kids across the street from the continuation school
when I was still working ... I came around the corner to a set of gang
boxes ... about half a dozen of the little fuk's was smoking dope ...
One goes ... It is just the mailman ... another one says ... you don't
care if we're smokin' do you?
I said ... If you ain't fuk'n with the mail or mail boxes I don't care
if you're shootin' dope, smokin' dope or sucking each others cock ...
ain't none of you my kids and I don't plan on adopting any of you!
...I could care less what you do .... that's basically
how I deal with the NA Beer deal in or amongst AA's ... how deal
with the Dope smokers in or amongst AA's and how I deal with who
is fuk'n who in or amongst AA's. I got my own shit to decide and
keep in order. In someone wants and asks for my personal opinion
... hell I'll share it with them ... but it's always clear that
it's what it is __ my opinion ... and how I feel about it
towards myself ... they can decide for themselves as far as I'm
concerned.
On 8/4/2011 1:07 AM, Sharx3335 wrote:
Root Beer doesn't TASTE, LOOK, or SMELL like an alcoholic
drink. NA beer most certainly DOES.
And your point would be?
BTW - it FEELS and SOUNDS just like real beer too...
Pretty much my view too, but I take exception when people tell me
I'm doing it wrong. Usually I manage restraint of (tongue and)
pen, but sometimes they overcome me.
--
Ted H.
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 00:50:34 -0700,
Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote:
...I could care less what you do .... that's basically
how I deal with the NA Beer deal in or amongst AA's ... how deal
with the Dope smokers in or amongst AA's and how I deal with who
is fuk'n who in or amongst AA's. I got my own shit to decide and
keep in order. In someone wants and asks for my personal opinion
... hell I'll share it with them ... but it's always clear that
it's what it is __ my opinion ... and how I feel about it
towards myself ... they can decide for themselves as far as I'm
concerned.
Pretty much my view too, but I take exception when people tell me
I'm doing it wrong. Usually I manage restraint of (tongue and)
pen, but sometimes they overcome me.
I had one of the old timers at my home meeting tell me that if I'm
gonna drink NA, I may as well drink the real beer. This was one of
those times that I clearly said "that's bullshit", and went on to
state the percentage of alcohol. Most of the other people in the room
agreed with me. The old guy didn't say another word.
Ex-Ex-Alcoholic#967895.06@myplace.com wrote:
I had one of the old timers at my home meeting tell me that if I'm
gonna drink NA, I may as well drink the real beer. This was one of
those times that I clearly said "that's bullshit", and went on to
state the percentage of alcohol. Most of the other people in the room >>agreed with me. The old guy didn't say another word.
Obviously that guy had already learned his lesson about trying to help
those who don't want help.
Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:06 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
Like that 'bout 125 pound yellow cat my brother hooked on trot line
over close to Palestine in old Ox Bow off the Trinity once. Big
sumbich flounced and tangled my bro up in line and damn near drowned
em 'fore he could get he knife out of scabbard and cut himself loose
and float to surface. Sheesh! Took us 'bout twenty minutes slapping
him on back to git all damn water out of em. ;-)
CC
My guess is that Ex landed Mike the Yellow Cat ...He's prolly gotta
thank mark for tossin' out a tasty bit or two of chum.
It makes me kind of queasy to read so-called recovered alcoholics defend
and define the drinking of so-called non-alcoholic beer. Y'all so
cynical about it now that you call it trolling? My gut instinct as an alcoholic is exactly the bit about "recoil as if from a hot flame". Everything in me is a steel core against this kind of sophistry and I'd
even go to say there's something sickening to me about looking at the
people who play this game. Didn't know there were so many here. Mike's
an asshole but I'd trust him before I'd trust the NA pussies and shills.
I don't trust them at all. Don't respect your opinons or character, so
see ya. Wet drunks are at least very obviously drunk, thus
transparently honest. HA. What a collection of turds I see.
Lucky
those who don't want help.
I don't exactly trust anyone with a self aggrandizing agenda..........
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Likewise, I'm sure.
Thanks Ted. Had one of those 'Serenity Prayer' 'moments of clarity'
events that has had a strong impact on what I'm willing to invest in
(react to) emotionally. Quite similar to the feelings I had when I quit booze, smokes and lost interest in gambling.
I had one of the old timers at my home meeting tell me that if
I'm
gonna drink NA, I may as well drink the real beer. This was one
of
those times that I clearly said "that's bullshit", and went on to
state the percentage of alcohol. Most of the other people in the
room
agreed with me. The old guy didn't say another word.
Unlike you and some of the others here, the old guy realized that it was
in his own best interest to STFU!!
On 8/3/2011 5:05 PM, JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Thanks, I got my 90 day pin and go so excited I had to celebrate. ;)
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:51:27 -0500, Gary <yexxxx@sbell.net> wrote:
I don't exactly trust anyone with a self aggrandizing agenda..........
Most of the people I have trusted who have let me down are due to my
making bad choices in who I trust.
On 8/3/2011 5:05 PM, JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Thanks, I got my 90 day pin and go so excited I had to celebrate. ;)
On 2011-08-04 13:28:25 -0500, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> said:
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:51:27 -0500, Gary <yexxxx@sbell.net> wrote:
I don't exactly trust anyone with a self aggrandizing agenda..........
Most of the people I have trusted who have let me down are due to my
making bad choices in who I trust.
That begs the question.
On 2011-08-04 13:28:25 -0500, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> said:
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:51:27 -0500, Gary <yexxxx@sbell.net> wrote:
I don't exactly trust anyone with a self aggrandizing
agenda..........
Most of the people I have trusted who have let me down are due to
my making bad choices in who I trust.
That begs the question.
On 8/5/2011 9:23 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2011-08-04 13:28:25 -0500, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> said:
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:51:27 -0500, Gary <yexxxx@sbell.net> wrote:
I don't exactly trust anyone with a self aggrandizing
agenda..........
Most of the people I have trusted who have let me down are due to
my making bad choices in who I trust.
That begs the question.
Let me see if I can say this right. ;-)
I've had any number of people whom I initially trusted, who I have at
some time or another felt let me down. They let me down, not due to lack
of trustworthiness on their part, or because of a bad choice in whom I trusted, but *because* of *my* *unreasonable* expectations of a human
being. When I was drunk, I sometime had divine expectations of mortal
men and when they didn't meet those expectations, they were pretty well automatically relegated to my, *useless* and *unworthy* of any farther exploitation, cultivation, solicitation, or love, like, respect or even association and *dead* file.
The sad thing was or is, that most of them were people who loved me
enough to say, "I can't do that" or even more explicitly, "I won't do
that for you Charlie. Go buy your own ticket to hell and go there by yourself, or destroy yourself without my help."
I was a drunk and a manipulator. I was a user of people and taker of
things. I didn't stick around anyone too long who would not let me use
them, take something from them or manipulate them to serving me in a
manner I felt I was deserving of.
Today, I have just about pulled most of them who are still living out of
my *useless* and *unworthy* of any farther exploitation, cultivation, solicitation, or love, like, respect or even association and *dead*
file, dusted or cleaned off all the derision, contempt, mistrust,
disdain, even in couple cases, an emotion closely akin to hate off of
them, which I had heaped on them and placed them in my:
"Most respected and grateful for file."
Fact is, I probably owe my life to a few of them.
CC
On 2011-08-04 15:36:43 -0500, "F.H." <connectutoos@verizon.net>
said:
On 8/3/2011 5:05 PM, JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Thanks, I got my 90 day pin and go so excited I had to celebrate.
;)
Fred X say he ran you off with his constant beatings of your mind.
On 8/5/2011 10:14 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
On 8/5/2011 9:23 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2011-08-04 13:28:25 -0500, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> said:
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:51:27 -0500, Gary <yexxxx@sbell.net>
wrote:
I don't exactly trust anyone with a self aggrandizing
agenda..........
Most of the people I have trusted who have let me down are due
to my making bad choices in who I trust.
That begs the question.
Let me see if I can say this right. ;-)
"Most respected and grateful for file."
Fact is, I probably owe my life to a few of them.
CC
Or to put in in one /short/ sentence: Once I learned to have
*reasonable* expectations of myself and others, life got better.
On 8/5/2011 9:32 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2011-08-04 15:36:43 -0500, "F.H." <connectutoos@verizon.net>
said:
On 8/3/2011 5:05 PM, JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Thanks, I got my 90 day pin and go so excited I had to celebrate.
;)
Fred X say he ran you off with his constant beatings of your mind.
I must have missed that Gary.
You sure you a Coonass? You don't talk like one. ;-)
CC
On 8/5/2011 8:36 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
On 8/5/2011 9:32 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2011-08-04 15:36:43 -0500, "F.H." <connectutoos@verizon.net>
said:
On 8/3/2011 5:05 PM, JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Thanks, I got my 90 day pin and go so excited I had to celebrate.
;)
Fred X say he ran you off with his constant beatings of your mind.
I must have missed that Gary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ES-YvWdObU
On 8/5/2011 8:36 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
On 8/5/2011 9:32 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2011-08-04 15:36:43 -0500, "F.H." <connectutoos@verizon.net>
said:
On 8/3/2011 5:05 PM, JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Thanks, I got my 90 day pin and go so excited I had to
celebrate. ;)
Fred X say he ran you off with his constant beatings of your
mind.
I must have missed that Gary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ES-YvWdObU
On 8/5/2011 10:14 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
On 8/5/2011 9:23 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2011-08-04 13:28:25 -0500, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> said:
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:51:27 -0500, Gary <yexxxx@sbell.net> wrote:
I don't exactly trust anyone with a self aggrandizing
agenda..........
Most of the people I have trusted who have let me down are due to
my making bad choices in who I trust.
That begs the question.
Let me see if I can say this right. ;-)
I've had any number of people whom I initially trusted, who I have at
some time or another felt let me down. They let me down, not due to lack
of trustworthiness on their part, or because of a bad choice in whom I
trusted, but *because* of *my* *unreasonable* expectations of a human
being. When I was drunk, I sometime had divine expectations of mortal
men and when they didn't meet those expectations, they were pretty well
automatically relegated to my, *useless* and *unworthy* of any farther
exploitation, cultivation, solicitation, or love, like, respect or even
association and *dead* file.
The sad thing was or is, that most of them were people who loved me
enough to say, "I can't do that" or even more explicitly, "I won't do
that for you Charlie. Go buy your own ticket to hell and go there by
yourself, or destroy yourself without my help."
I was a drunk and a manipulator. I was a user of people and taker of
things. I didn't stick around anyone too long who would not let me use
them, take something from them or manipulate them to serving me in a
manner I felt I was deserving of.
Today, I have just about pulled most of them who are still living out of
my *useless* and *unworthy* of any farther exploitation, cultivation,
solicitation, or love, like, respect or even association and *dead*
file, dusted or cleaned off all the derision, contempt, mistrust,
disdain, even in couple cases, an emotion closely akin to hate off of
them, which I had heaped on them and placed them in my:
"Most respected and grateful for file."
Fact is, I probably owe my life to a few of them.
CC
Or to put in in one /short/ sentence: Once I learned to have
*reasonable* expectations of myself and others, life got better.
On 8/5/2011 10:55 AM, F.H. wrote:
On 8/5/2011 8:36 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
On 8/5/2011 9:32 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2011-08-04 15:36:43 -0500, "F.H." <connectutoos@verizon.net>
said:
On 8/3/2011 5:05 PM, JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Thanks, I got my 90 day pin and go so excited I had to
celebrate. ;)
Fred X say he ran you off with his constant beatings of your
mind.
I must have missed that Gary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ES-YvWdObU
Somehow the link above does not seem to fit or logically follow, but
mangled up as my mind is, as I've posted so many time over the years, "I
jest don't git it." that's not surprising, nor nothing new.
On 8/5/2011 10:44 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
You sure you a Coonass? You don't talk like one. ;-)
CC
I is a educated coonass. :-)
On 8/5/2011 9:27 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
On 8/5/2011 10:55 AM, F.H. wrote:
On 8/5/2011 8:36 AM, Charlie L. wrote:
On 8/5/2011 9:32 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2011-08-04 15:36:43 -0500, "F.H."
<connectutoos@verizon.net> said:
On 8/3/2011 5:05 PM, JoeRaisin wrote:
Hey, Frank, good to see you.
Thanks, I got my 90 day pin and go so excited I had to
celebrate. ;)
Fred X say he ran you off with his constant beatings of your
mind.
I must have missed that Gary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ES-YvWdObU
Somehow the link above does not seem to fit or logically follow,
but mangled up as my mind is, as I've posted so many time over the
years, "I jest don't git it." that's not surprising, nor nothing
new.
My error. No reference for me (since "I don't read Dave" and I didn't
follow the link) so I should have thought a little before shooting
at shadows. Perhaps I had an "expectation." <wink> <wink>
I think we gonna hit or top 110 today.
CC
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:53:27 -0500, "Charlie L." <charlie@the-old-gnu-zoo.org> wrote:
I think we gonna hit or top 110 today.
CC
Shucks I'm going to be pulling my light jacket out of the closet or
at least a hoodie ... Only one predicted triple digit day for Aug
and even a day in 80's ... I'll be bitching about the cold before I
know it if the predictions come about!
Our forecast for the rest of the month and as far as I can see is
somewhere between 100 and 109, pretty well averaging out about 105 for
every damn day in sight. Unless we start living right or Momma Nature or
Gawd takes pity on us and grants us a reprieve. ;-)