• Re: Okay, You Windows Wankers...

    From JoeRaisin@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 06:28:56 2011
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    On 8/1/2011 2:47 PM, Mark Warner wrote:
    Charlie L. wrote:
    And note book or laptop luvers. ;-)

    I gotta consult this afternoon. Mother and Daughter. Daughter gotta have
    new notebook or laptop to go back to College this fall. Mother gonna buy
    her one.

    "Gotta have"??? Bullshit. Kids /think/ they *have* to have a laptop, but
    a desktop will do just fine. It will be cheaper, far less prone to
    breakage, and easier to fix if it does.

    Just get the best thing you can from Tiger (Acer seems to be a good all 'round best bang for your buck machine), decrapify it, set up a dual
    boot, and tell her to use the Linux side for all her *mandatory*
    Internet stuff and *mandatory* music stuff and *mandatory* YouTube stuff.


    Yeah, but it's a pain in the ass to drag the desktop to the library, or wherever they want to hang out and pretend to be doing homework...

    I had an Acer that worked just fine... until I dropped it. Just the one
    time, but the cheap ass POS couldn't even take ONE time sliding out of
    my car and tumbling just a little bit across the asphalt. Damn
    connection to the hard drive got all sketchy. A former co-worker of
    mine, who claims to know about such things, was trying to fix it to no
    avail.

    Come to think of it, that was a few years ago and he still has the damn
    thing.

    I now have an Asus (what do you know, I'm going through my laptops in alphabetical order) that I have no complaints about. I don't remember
    how much I paid for it, but it would have to be in the price range
    Charlie mentioned as I wouldn't have paid more than that.
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  • From Mark Warner@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 10:47:00 2011
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    Skeezix LaRocca wrote:

    I don't doubt it a bit...A local Linux geek / buddy says the same thing...For most of the local diploma mills online offerings and info
    sites you had better be running IE, and the everyday Joe Blow will never
    get on with Firefox, Chrome, or the Mac browser.

    I've heard of this for years, but have never personally run into it. I
    don't know if it's my browsing habits or the fact that there really
    aren't hardly any of these sites out there and that the problem isn't
    really all that big. Probably both.

    In fact, he was taking a class that required M$ Word...He thought he'd
    be fine with Open Office or Libre, but they were using some special
    macros & he had to go sniff out a corporate copy somewhere of Word.

    Uncle Billy gives them deals on software, and in payment, they lock you right down in the M$ family, or so it seems.

    Now *that* I can attest to. Same thing here with the big University. But
    it does make the same software available to just about anybody in town,
    since just about everybody has some friend or relative connected to the University in some fashion.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run Windows.
    It's the *laptop* that I don't buy. That's a want, not a need.

    --
    Mark Warner
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  • From Charlie M. 1958@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 09:56:24 2011
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    On 8/2/2011 9:47 AM, Mark Warner wrote:

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run Windows.
    It's the *laptop* that I don't buy. That's a want, not a need.


    I can't honestly say whether any of faculty here at the local
    universities require students to have laptops in class, but a number of private/Catholic high schools have done exactly that.
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  • From Mark Warner@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 11:27:32 2011
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    Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
    On 8/2/2011 9:47 AM, Mark Warner wrote:

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run Windows.
    It's the *laptop* that I don't buy. That's a want, not a need.

    I can't honestly say whether any of faculty here at the local
    universities require students to have laptops in class, but a number of private/Catholic high schools have done exactly that.

    I'm jaded on the whole subject about what a kid claims they *need* for
    school. A lot of it comes from my attempts to *give* away perfectly serviceable machines to needy middle and high school kids who *need*
    them "for schoolwork" -- and then be told they aren't suitable because
    they can't burn DVDs or videos are choppy or some other such nonsense.

    --
    Mark Warner
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  • From Charlie L.@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 10:33:02 2011
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    On 08/02/2011 09:47 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
    Skeezix LaRocca wrote:

    I don't doubt it a bit...A local Linux geek / buddy says the same
    thing...For most of the local diploma mills online offerings and
    info sites you had better be running IE, and the everyday Joe Blow
    will never get on with Firefox, Chrome, or the Mac browser.

    I've heard of this for years, but have never personally run into it.
    I don't know if it's my browsing habits or the fact that there
    really aren't hardly any of these sites out there and that the
    problem isn't really all that big. Probably both.

    In fact, he was taking a class that required M$ Word...He thought
    he'd be fine with Open Office or Libre, but they were using some
    special macros & he had to go sniff out a corporate copy somewhere
    of Word.

    Uncle Billy gives them deals on software, and in payment, they
    lock you right down in the M$ family, or so it seems.

    Now *that* I can attest to. Same thing here with the big University.
    But it does make the same software available to just about anybody
    in town, since just about everybody has some friend or relative
    connected to the University in some fashion.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run
    Windows. It's the *laptop* that I don't buy. That's a want, not a
    need.


    No Mark, her *want* is a college degree, in effect, a BS in nursing, and eventually home health care or private nursing. She has so far in my
    opinion made a pretty good plan/map/outline of how to get there, having completed two years at it/of it already, and has or so far has had a
    good assessment of what her *needs* to accomplish that goal or bearing
    her wants, goal, plan, to fruition. Kind of like she listened to someone
    or authority on what she is wanting of and was told.

    "If you want what we have and are willing to go to any length to get
    it-then you are ready to take certain steps."

    Her college said, "You need a computer, preferably a laptop for lab
    work, library and practicals."

    One of the steps she took was a look at Kiplinger in area of personal
    finance planning,

    http://tinyurl.com/lrp3u9

    ,,,and this particular paragraph under 12 Things College Students Don't
    Need. ;-)

    ---
    A high-end laptop or desktop computer. An inexpensive laptop or desktop
    should do the trick. Netbooks are cheap, but their small keyboards and
    slow processing speed wonÆt make the grade for a studentÆs first year in college. One powerful, portable and affordable option is the Asus
    K50IJ-BBZ5 laptop. It has a 15.6-inch screen, weighs 5.8 pounds, and has
    4 gigabytes of memory and a 320GB hard drive. The Asus is available at
    Best Buy for $530.
    ---

    Her mother asked me, "Charlie, can we find something cheaper that will
    hack it for her?"

    And I said, "I'll try."

    When was the last time you went shopping, for a larger size of briefs,
    possibly even looking to switch to boxers? I know, I know,,,, you don't
    *need* any more damn skivvies. ;-)

    CC

    PS: The gal is also familiar with operating a Linux System, or at least
    she does quite well when she is home on the high end Honky-Tonk-Ho-House
    black transformer cased, Intel Celeron D, 3.5 GIG, 64 bit, 3 GIG RAM
    PCLinuxOS system I put together fo
  • From Charlie L.@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 11:07:48 2011
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    On 08/02/2011 09:56 AM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
    On 8/2/2011 9:47 AM, Mark Warner wrote:

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run
    Windows. It's the *laptop* that I don't buy. That's a want, not a
    need.


    I can't honestly say whether any of faculty here at the local
    universities require students to have laptops in class, but a number
    of private/Catholic high schools have done exactly that.

    I posted an article about my home town a couple of years ago, 2009,
    pertaining to students and computers. It was supposedly one of, or, the
    first in nation to provide *each* and *every* student in the district
    with a *free* personal laptop to use for the duration of their
    attendance there. Lemme see... Yeah, here it is. ;-)

    http://tinyurl.com/3j6hyy6

    BTW, I believe they elected to go with Mac's. ;-)

    CC
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  • From mike@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 16:26:24 2011
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    Charlie L. wrote:

    On 08/02/2011 09:47 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
    Skeezix LaRocca wrote:

    I don't doubt it a bit...A local Linux geek / buddy says the same >>>thing...For most of the local diploma mills online offerings and
    info sites you had better be running IE, and the everyday Joe Blow
    will never get on with Firefox, Chrome, or the Mac browser.

    I've heard of this for years, but have never personally run into it.
    I don't know if it's my browsing habits or the fact that there
    really aren't hardly any of these sites out there and that the
    problem isn't really all that big. Probably both.

    In fact, he was taking a class that required M$ Word...He thought
    he'd be fine with Open Office or Libre, but they were using some
    special macros & he had to go sniff out a corporate copy somewhere
    of Word.

    Uncle Billy gives them deals on software, and in payment, they
    lock you right down in the M$ family, or so it seems.

    Now that I can attest to. Same thing here with the big University.
    But it does make the same software available to just about anybody
    in town, since just about everybody has some friend or relative
    connected to the University in some fashion.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run
    Windows. It's the laptop that I don't buy. That's a want, not a
    need.


    No Mark, her want is a college degree, in effect, a BS in nursing, and >eventually home health care or private nursing. She has so far in my
    opinion made a pretty good plan/map/outline of how to get there,
    having completed two years at it/of it already, and has or so far has
    had a good assessment of what her needs to accomplish that goal or
    bearing her wants, goal, plan, to fruition. Kind of like she listened
    to someone or authority on what she is wanting of and was told.

    "If you want what we have and are willing to go to any length to get
    it-then you are ready to take certain steps."

    Her college said, "You need a computer, preferably a laptop for lab
    work, library and practicals."

    One of the steps she took was a look at Kiplinger in area of personal
    finance planning,

    http://tinyurl.com/lrp3u9

    ,,,and this particular paragraph under 12 Things College Students
    Don't Need. ;-)

    ---
    A high-end laptop or desktop computer. An inexpensive laptop or
    desktop should do the trick. Netbooks are cheap, but their small
    keyboards and slow processing speed wonÆt make the grade for a
    studentÆs first year in college. One powerful, portable and
    affordable option is the Asus K50IJ-BBZ5 laptop. It has a 15.6-inch
    screen, weighs 5.8 pounds, and has 4 gigabytes of memory and a 320GB
    hard drive. The Asus is available at Best Buy for $530.
    ---

    Her mother asked me, "Charlie, can we find something cheaper that will
    hack it for her?"

    And I said, "I'll try."

    When was the last time you went shopping, for a larger size of briefs, >possibly even looking to switch to boxers? I know, I know,,,, you
    don't need any more damn skivvies. ;-)

    CC

    PS: The gal is also familiar with operating a Linux System, or at
    least she does quite well when she is home on the high end >Honky-Tonk-Ho-House black transformer cased, Intel Celeron D, 3.5
    GIG, 64 bit, 3 GIG RAM PCLinuxOS system I put together for her mother
    when she went back into nursing a couple of years ago, because it was
    a problem for her to come over to my apartment all the time to use my >computer, and It was costing her too much in peach cobbler to keep me
    from snarling at her while she was using my computer. ;-)

    Why do you feel the need to explain yourself to Mark Warner repeatedly
    when you refuse to answer my question about the Moslem greeting?
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  • From Charlie L.@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 13:00:20 2011
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    On 08/02/2011 11:26 AM, mike wrote:
    Charlie L. wrote:

    On 08/02/2011 09:47 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
    Skeezix LaRocca wrote:

    I don't doubt it a bit..
    I've heard of this for years,
    In fact, he was taking a class that required Uncle Billy gives
    them deals on software, and in payment, they lock you right
    down in the M$ family, or so it seems.

    Now that I can attest to. I have no doubt whatsoever that
    Charlie's friend


    No Mark, her want is a college degree, "If you want what we have
    and are willing to go to any length to get it-then you are ready to
    take certain steps."

    Her college said, "You need a computer, preferably a laptop for
    lab work, library and practicals."

    One of the steps she took was a look at Kiplinger in area of
    personal finance planning,


    Her mother asked me, "Charlie, can we find something cheaper that
    will hack it for her?"

    And I said, "I'll try."

    When was the last time you went shopping, for a larger size of
    briefs,

    Why do you feel the need to explain yourself to Mark Warner
    repeatedly when you refuse to answer my question about the Moslem
    greeting?

    I din't refuse to answer you Mike. I asked for some clarification or justification of your seeming wants/needs/business pertaining to knowing
    whom and what affect the knowing might have pertaining to your attitude
    and relationship with them. AA, ARAA nor Usenet is not a *Christian*
    only, nor by *Mike's* invitation only, fellowship, virtual community or newsgroup. ;-)

    Exactly who on this newsgroup would you be saluting with a Moslem
    greeting and holiday wishes?

    Exactly, speaking Mike, what fucking business is it of yours as to
    whom and how I choose to greet at any time or what type of greetings
    I choose to extend on this newsgroup?

    And even if I told you specifically, what affect would it have in/on
    your attitude or relationship with them?

    Ah hell, Mike, I'll relent a bit, since you seem to be incapable of
    grasping it. I posted yesterday about a town I *grew* up in during my
    teens and some memories that came creeping due to the day yesterday was.
    I formed some lasting friendships and relationships. You do understand
    the meaning of friendship don't you? Some of them still last to this
    day. One lived out in the frontier and only means I had of communication
    with him up until a few years back when he disappeared off the map, was
    C/O a cashier at a bank in Peshawar. Too far out in the boonies. He
    din't have mail delivery. No running water, gas, 'lectricity nor laptop neither. Nomadic sort. All the way from the Russian Steppes to the
    Indian ocean regularly. ;-) Some of them know they can find me on ARAA.
    Same as my friend Carl D. up in Poughkeepsie who I worked with in
    Pakistan. We haven't seen each other in 50 years, but have maintained communications, snail mail, telephone, e-mail, all those years. Or even Honker-Jack who sometimes posts to this group. Used to be my upstairs
    neighbor. Or even my kids, know they can find me here just about any day
    of the week. Would your mate or any of your friends or AA acquaintances
    know to check ARAA if they needed or wanted to find you or get your
    attention for some reason and all else or other methods failed? ;-)

    CC



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  • From Charlie L.@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Wed Aug 3 03:47:59 2011
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    On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:59:16 -0400, Ted H wrote:

    On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:47:00 -0400,
    Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com> wrote:
    Skeezix LaRocca wrote:

    In fact, he was taking a class that required M$ Word...He thought he'd
    be fine with Open Office or Libre, but they were using some special
    macros & he had to go sniff out a corporate copy somewhere of Word.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run Windows.
    It's the *laptop* that I don't buy. That's a want, not a need.

    Just one comment. When my middle son enrolled in the architecture
    program at Ball State about 8 years ago, one of the *requirments* was
    that he have a laptop.

    Thanks Ted, I was hoping you would show up with something *concrete* to
    hit the ole cinderblock headed sumbich with to wake em up. ;-)

    I recall conversation you and I once had about why you, as such an Avid
    Open Source Advocate still used Windows on your *work* computers and
    stayed out of your wife's computer usage for her work and school needs.

    CC
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  • From Ted H@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 18:59:16 2011
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    On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:47:00 -0400,
    Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com> wrote:
    Skeezix LaRocca wrote:

    In fact, he was taking a class that required M$ Word...He
    thought he'd be fine with Open Office or Libre, but they were
    using some special macros & he had to go sniff out a corporate
    copy somewhere of Word.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run
    Windows. It's the *laptop* that I don't buy. That's a want, not
    a need.

    Just one comment. When my middle son enrolled in the architecture
    program at Ball State about 8 years ago, one of the *requirments*
    was that he have a laptop.

    --
    Ted H.
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  • From Mark Warner@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Tue Aug 2 19:51:35 2011
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    Ted H wrote:
    Mark Warner wrote:
    Skeezix LaRocca wrote:

    In fact, he was taking a class that required M$ Word...He
    thought he'd be fine with Open Office or Libre, but they were
    using some special macros & he had to go sniff out a corporate
    copy somewhere of Word.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run
    Windows. It's the *laptop* that I don't buy. That's a want, not
    a need.

    Just one comment. When my middle son enrolled in the architecture
    program at Ball State about 8 years ago, one of the *requirments*
    was that he have a laptop.

    A *laptop* /required/??? Eight years ago??? At a state university???

    Okay, fuckit. By her a damn laptop, Charlie.

    Whether she needs it or not.

    --
    Mark Warner
    MEPIS Linux
    Registered Linux User #415318
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  • From Charlie L.@1:138/392 to alt.recovery.aa on Wed Aug 3 03:21:00 2011
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    On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner wrote:

    Ted H wrote:
    Mark Warner wrote:
    Skeezix LaRocca wrote:

    In fact, he was taking a class that required M$ Word...He thought
    he'd be fine with Open Office or Libre, but they were using some
    special macros & he had to go sniff out a corporate copy somewhere of
    Word.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Charlie's friend needs to run Windows.
    It's the *laptop* that I don't buy. That's a want, not a need.

    Just one comment. When my middle son enrolled in the architecture
    program at Ball State about 8 years ago, one of the *requirments* was
    that he have a laptop.

    A *laptop* /required/??? Eight years ago??? At a state university???

    Okay, fuckit. By her a damn laptop, Charlie.

    Whether she needs it or not.

    Well, the whole deal all along Mark has not been what she needs or
    doesn't need, wants or doesn't want.

    She has a laptop already that she feels no longer serves her needs and
    wants. She *wants* another on and in effect she, with her mother's
    concurrence and permission to buy, like her mother saying:

    "I will by you a new laptop. I want the *best* Charlie can find or
    recommend and get for $400 or less. I want a *new* one, from a reputable dealer with service plan and warranty, so I don't have to every time
    something goes wrong with the damn thing holler, 'Help Charlie! I'll make
    you a peach cobbler or a banana pudden, or what ever you want or need if
    you can or will fix this damn computer.' I've been burned in the past by going to Austin on my own and buying one that was supposedly refurbished
    and was told by the sales department where I bought it that it was
    exactly what I needed and a *real* *deal* and then have the damn thing
    lay on a closet shelf, useless for what we bought it for until Charlie
    came along and worked on it a week or more and spent little of his own
    money on and made useful and serviceable."

    Is going to get one, come hell or high water!

    And I don't feel, or have not been able to just say to either one of
    them, "You need to do your own, research, evaluation, shopping, making up
    your mind, and go buy what you wanna buy, and *leave* *me* *out* of it. I don't want or need to be a part of it or feel like I was ultimately responsible for your decision and wind up a scape goat or accused of
    giving bad advice if things don't work out the way you thought or
    expected they would, and have to listen to none of that 'Charlie said...' stuff."

    So I said, "Okay, okay, alright already! I'll see what I can do."

    Then I promptly came to ARAA to solicit advice as to direction I should
    go in the matter of choice or selection of the computer so that if things still went to hell or turned to shit I'd have a fall back and could say,
    "Hey! Don't blame me for this shit. I turned to the best minds on Usenet
    and the damn computer was the one "Old So and So on ARAA said you should
    buy. It's their fucking fault not mine. Git on the God Damn Computer and
    tell them sons of bitches what kind of fucking mess they got you into
    instead of blaming it all on Charlie.

    But, I think after about four hours of three way head banging yesterday,
    we have a tentative agreement. I will select what in *my* opinion would
    be the best deal for under $400 from Dell out of their, *refurbished* "NO Operating System"

    http://tinyurl.com/4xvezjv

    offerings and then after you have decided what size, shape and color
    would be best, I will order the computer and once it gets here we can sit
    down and put a free Linux Operating System on it, like the one you and
    her use on the Tower sitting over there on the desk in that black,
    transformer style, Honky-Tonk-Ho-House case with gaudy neon lights
    flashing inside of and running up and down the front as the memory and cpu does it's thing that you like to watch 'cause it relaxes you, that
    Charlie built to your specifications, and get a reduced rate or wrangled, students Windows 7, free or discounted, install disk from the university
    for her to meet her class needs and have a good safe, secure, fill all
    her needs as far as all her *mandatory* Internet stuff and *mandatory*
    music stuff and *mandatory* YouTube stuff.

    And she said, "That'll work Charlie. Git-R-Done. Yew wants a home made
    'nanner pudden this week end or would you rather have a store bought
    peach cobbler? You wanna go to Bahamas with me in October?"

    And I sed, "Hell no Flo! I won't go, been there, done that, don't wanna
    go 'gin no mo." ;-)

    And she said, "Okay you ole cranky, sumbich. See if I care!"

    And Ms. K. say, "Charlie, what highest rank/commission you think army or
    air force give me once I get my degree, and would it be advisable to
    spend four years in which ever one for the experience?"

    And I sed, "You need to do your own, research, evaluation, making up your mind, and go do what you wanna do with *your* life, and *leave* *me*
    *out* of it. I don't want or need to be a part of it or feel like I was ultimately responsible for your decision and wind up a scape goat or
    accused of giving bad advice if things don't work out the way you thought
    or expected they would, even I don't or won't probably live long 'nuff to
    have to listen to none of that 'Charlie said...' stuff."

    CC
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