Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Allen Prunty <=-

Now that you have read the entire message, please share comments.

Now that I have red your message it's clear to me, you look to fidonet with your experience from the distant past. Current fidonet is a very much different thing. For starters it's so much smaller than in it's hayday. Only 10% of the nodelist is left, and if you count active participants it's even smaller. Further more as almost all links use
the internet at zero cost, anyone can connect every where. So all this hierarchical structuring is mostly irrellevant, and moderators, where they still exist, have no real power at all. Just the mere existence of moderators frustrates the smooth operation of the network and seems to cause more aggrevation between the participants of an area.

Moderators should keep things on an even keel and keep the script kiddies and other doofuses in line. What you seem to be advocating is anarchy and chaos.

Further: the north american backbone (not "the backbone" as you said), has made itself irrelevant since the fidonews coup, and the "genesis"
of the fidoweb as a concequence. So the elist because it isn't
recognized as being part of fidonet, and only part of Z1 uses it, is
even less relevant. It's mostly a mausoleum of dead areas anyway. There seem to be more areas than active users!

That's only because you are in Europe. Certainly there are more areas than intelligent users - that's a give and has been since the decline of BBSes in general.

So let's do without a moderator and rules in this area, it has existed without it for more then 10 years now. The thought of having an

Let's not. With no rules and no limits then chaos results and this might as well be ALL POLITICS or one of the religion echoes ..... even the Flame echo has (well, had, last time I looked) amoderator to keep things from getting too far out of hand.

election is even more rediculous, it would only aggrevate things even more. No good will come of it and would be a waste of energy!

I agree on the election. Allen has listed the echo and he is the moderator. End of discussion. Whether you or I like it or not. It's the way of Fido.

And mind you, I don't object to you trying to revive the area. But you can do that just as well without being the moderator. So put your
energy into that and drop the moderator nonsense...

Do you own any Amigas or have anything positive to contribute?

Personally, I have several: an A500, an A2500/030, an A3000T (which I just revived) and an A4000 for which I am seeking parts and may have found a source(s) this place sprang back to life.

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Joacim Melin wrote to Allen Prunty <=-

1. Do we need a moderator?
2. If (1)=yes, why? Are there any Fidonet rules stipulating that every echo requires a moderator?

Well, yeah. Them's the rules.

I run my BBS on a Amiga 2000 and it's still reasonably stable, offering
me tons of joy and entertainment and (sometimes) a bit of a headache. Surely, we can come together as users (or just fans) of the Amiga and
keep the discussion civilized? I'd rather not see this echo turn to FN_SYSOP...

Or ALL_POLITICS Bv)=

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Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Allen Prunty <=-

as long as the FN_SYSOP people kindly stay out of this and let us work
it out on our own. At first all I was going to do was the minimum to
keep it on the North American Backbone

You put way too much importance into the NAB. It only plays a minor
part in world wide echomail distribution.

Given that FIDO started in USA That's a rather Eurocentric way of looking at things. How much of Fido traffic is generated in the US vs, say, France, England and Germany combined? You may be in for a bit of a shock. Not to mention that the US is where Fido was whelped .... to wit:

Around Christmas 1983, Tom Jennings started work on a new MS-DOSΓÇôhosted bulletin board system that would emerge as Fido BBS. Jennings set up the system in San Francisco some time in early 1984. Another early user was John Madil, who was trying to set up a similar system in Baltimore on his Rainbow 100. Fido started spreading to new systems, and Jennings eventually started keeping an informal list of their phone numbers, with Jennings becoming #1 and Madil #2.

Jennings released the first version of the FidoNet software in June 1984. In early 1985 he wrote a document explaining the operations of the FidoNet, along with a short portion on the history of the system. In this version, FidoNet was developed as a way to exchange mail between the first two Fido BBS systems, Jennings' and Madil's, to "see if it could be done, merely for the fun of it". This was first supported in Fido V7, "sometime in June 84 or so"

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet

You might also be well served to look at https://www.fidonet.org/

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On Jun 08, 2016 06:19am, Dave Drum wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Dave,

Please post in correct echo we don't need to spill over.

Allen

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On Jun 08, 2016 06:59am, Dave Drum wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

between the first two Fido BBS systems, Jennings' and Madil's, to "see
if it could be done, merely for the fun of it". This was first
supported in Fido V7, "sometime in June 84 or so"

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet

You might also be well served to look at https://www.fidonet.org/

Dave,

WHile this is all well and nice, please remember this is the 10th AMendment echo and it has nothing to do with the separation of US Constitutional State's Rights.

Please keep the spillover contained.

Allen

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08 Jun 16 15:49, you wrote to Dave Drum:

Please post in correct echo we don't need to spill over.

dave does offline mail... i suspect that xxcarol's message base layout has changed and daves was caught in that as offline mail (qwk) is generally done by
message base numbers... it is likely that the AMIGA conference was first and then 10TH_AMD got added and pushed all areas off by at least one... this is one
of the problems that offline mail has with adding and removing areas to a system...

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